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Grace O'Malley:"important symbolic figure"

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"Grace O'Malley ... serves as an important symbolic figure."
This reads as if it is somebody's opinion. Can we cite any objective source on this? -- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 17:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

American Old West List is Flawed

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Of the eight women listed in the "American Old West"section, seven of them were not warriors: why, for the love of the gods, have they been included? CRIMINALS ARE NOT WARRIORS! Good bloody grief. As for American Indian warrior women, the list is currently empty which seems odd to me: many are well-known and their deeds are still sung. --Desertphile (talk) 18:50, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Native American Warrior Women were those women who fought for and instilled the teachings. tradition, safety. survival and customs for the next seven generations. Thses women are still amongst us. They seek no praise, fame or glory, they do these things as a ritual and treat life as a ceremony. These women are aunts, sisters, mothers and grandmothers. In todays society, given the way the world has changed, there are fewer and fewer of these Warrior Women. Women who have a voice and are not afraid to speak out and voice their concerns, opinions,and interests that will insure the safety and survival of the tribe (nation), individual, community and family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adonoquay (talk • contribs) 16:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

subheadlines

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Why aresome of the subheadlines written with |, e.g. History of China|Historical China? Can someone explain? WikiHannibal (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just because you lived an unconventional life doesn't make you a warrior

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The biggest weakness to this article is that there is no definition of what a warrior actually is; as a result any woman who did anything violent or vaguely Amazony appears to be called a warrior. I say the key to the definition of what makes a warrior is that, "she was part of some sort of military (be it recognized, like an organized army, or unrecognized, like revolutionaries)." Simply murdering someone in the role of outlaw, pirate or patriot doesn't make you a warrior.

I would like to see the following names removed for these reasons: Grace O'Malley, Anne Bonny and Mary Read were not warriors, they were pirates. There is a difference. Maria Bonita (bandit) was, as her article suggests, a bandit and never fought in war or on the side of any army. None of the women in the Old West section were warriors. Out of the four names in the Old Testament section the only one that could be considered a warrior would Deborah, maybe. Beheading a single person while they were drunk might make you a murderer, but not a warrior, even if it was done for a noble cause. How is Mariana de Pineda Muñoz a warrior? She was executed for having a flag in her house, not because she was part of any military or militia. Medea was a sorceress who killed her own children when Jason leaves her, there is no evidence in any legend or myth that she led an army. Likewise, Diana and Artemis are goddesses of hunting, not war.

I think cleaning this up, adding citations and defining what a warrior actually is will help improve this article tremendously. Beag maclir (talk) 20:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Placing Non-Woman Warrior Information Here Until It Can Be Proven These Were In Fact Warriors

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Until someone can provide information that these women were indeed warriors, as defined in the article, I am placing their information here. I am always interested in expanding the list, provided we have a conciseness of what a woman warrior actually is. Beag maclir (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose this is where I'm supposed to comment. You didn't really make it too easy to know where, and therefore respond, but I don't mean to mess up your list. I added a sort-of disambig under pirates and seafarers to O'malley.  —Mysterytrey 00:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Calamity Jane, in the Acquiring the nickname section, "Martha Jane was involved in several campaigns in the long-running military conflicts with Native American Indians" as well as her quote, detailing her skirmishes and the saving of Captain Egan.
  • Artemis, the Hellenic god of the hunt, and it seems appropriate to include her in a 'List of women warriors in folklore'. That's not just because she is skilled with a weapon, but because "Artemis played quite a large part in this war. Like her mother and brother, who was widely worshiped at Troy, Artemis took the side of the Trojans."
  • Mary Read, as it says in her article does have an allegiance: "English-allied infantry & cavalry in Holland". Also, if you would look at the second source in her article, pages 154 & 155, it mentions her service ("and carry'd Arms in a Regiment of Foot, as a Cadet;"), the third source speaks of her leaving the military, and the fourth source tells of her "enlisted in a foot regiment and proved herself in battle." Anne Bonny was perhaps not a warrior as now defined in the article, but she was a large role in Mary's life, so would still need to be mentioned in the paragraph.
If you'd like to lesson the mention of Anne Bonny in Mary Reads section, that'd seem fair.  —Mysterytrey 00:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Grace O'Malley, in the Career and Legendary exploit sections, "she commanded the loyalty of so many O'Flaherty men", "O'Malley successfully defended it and apparently the Joyces were so impressed with her abilities in battle", "She recruited fighting men from both Ireland and Scotland", "O'Malley went to the Lord Deputy of Ireland and offered two hundred fighting men to serve English interests in Ireland and Scotland", and "More than 20 years after her death, an English lord deputy of Ireland recalled her ability as a leader of fighting men, noting her fame and".
Thank you for this information. I am sorry I did not read deeper into the references I thought I had studied. Let me remove the changes I made, I believe you are right. Cheers! Beag maclir (talk) 17:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

American Old West

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Central/South America

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Old Testament

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Greek Mythology

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Spain

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  • Mariana Pineda was a Spanish national heroine, defender of liberalism and famous for her flag with a slogan embroidered in red: 'Equality, Freedom and Law'. After having been arrested, and refusing to betray her accomplices in exchange of pardon, she was publicly executed. She would inspire García Lorca's play Mariana Pineda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beag maclir (talk • contribs) 16:14, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Why is Ancient Egypt not under Africa

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I don't understand why Ancient Egypt isn't under Africa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brimfirestone (talk • contribs) 03:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Artemisia of Halikarnassos?

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Mentioned by Herodotus. Captained a warship at Salamis, I think. Will try to add later, if I can figure out how to do it. 79.103.60.41 (talk) 21:12, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Mythological vs folkloric vs Historical

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This page is a pretty big mess in terms of what kind of figures are actually supposed to be listed here. 'Mythology' and 'folklore' and definitely terms that are blurry around the edges and have some overlap, but there's no way Artemis, for example, could be considered "a woman warrior in folklore". She's not even human. And then out the other end there are some entirely historical figures, who don't actually have any folklore associated with them. This page is more 'list of female warrior figures from myth, culture, and history'. There's already a category page for 'war goddesses' so unless someone objects, I'm going to remove the goddesses from this page. Then there's just 'folklore vs actual historical figure with no real folklore attached' to sort out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Endlesspumpkin (talk • contribs) 12:36, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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