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Did you know... that on the Lycian Way, a hiker can experience all four seasons in one day?

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I think it might be notable. It's been in the media: the Observer June 4 2006 according to my own research. according to the trail site http://www.lycianway.com/ it and the st. paul trial have been in a lot of magazines, but some of their selected articles are about the area, not the trail.Sci girl 21:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

www.lycianturkey.com

The section "Hiking path description" is copied from http://www.lycianturkey.com/lycian-way (or possibly vice versa). I came across this trying to find a reference for the "citation needed". Personally I would think that a article called "Lycian Way" is almost forced to include sections from www.lycianturkey.com so this is not a problem but does it make sense to reference the identical text from a source article? Maybe it is best to make a single prominent reference to www.lycianturkey.com near the beginning and take anything in that as being suitably referenced. Mtpaley (talk) 22:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like a blatant copyright violation. The edit is performed by user:85.99.86.217 in 2007. The text from www.lycianturkey.com is from 2006: [1]. I will erase the copyvio. — fnielsen (talk) 23:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that the 1999-opened Lycian Way, an over 500 km (310 mi)-long hiking trail in southwestern Turkey, was conceived by British Kate Clow?~~ Source: "The best guidebook is probably the one written by Kate Clow, the British expat who marked the ancient road together and discovered the Lycian Way.", "This route was opened in 1999 ...", "The 540 kilometer Lycian Way, ..." [2]

Reviewed: Lilly Dubowitz

5x expanded by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:14, 21 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

DYK has a precedent that only persons with an article (blue wikilink) are mentioned by name in hooks. Is it possible to propose other hooks? Flibirigit (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Flibirigit: Thank you for your reviewing. Would you please tell me where I can learn the rule you mention so that I know more. CeeGee 10:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A precedent is an unwritten rule. I have seen it enforced, and have asked at WT:DYK for further comments. Flibirigit (talk) 12:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And what now? CeeGee 12:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wait one day/24 hours and see what the comments are at WT:DYK. I will do a full review of everything else tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Normally, you want to mention someone to attract. This name, with or without article, would not attract me. Can't we say something else. (I confess that I've been surprised to learn how few persons seem to be "generally known", - the last one was the legendary Walter Felsenstein, and the reaction was "Who's that?" - Better - general rule, no matter what written and unwritten rules say - not to rest attractiveness on names of people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to this comment at the main talk page by User:Only in death it is acceptable to have the name in the hook in the case, however as User:Gerda Arendt noted above it is not a well-known name and would not be interesting to a broad audience. I have struck the hook for that reason. My suggestion here to say something like a "British expatriate", or try another hook. I also note there are many great photo in the article would could be used in a hook if you want to consider those. I will do a full article review shortly. Flibirigit (talk) 09:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - ?
Interesting: - ?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article expanded more than fivefold from May 15 to 21, and nominated within time. Length and sourcing are adequate. Article is neutral in tone, and no plagiarism issues detected. All images used in the article are properly licensed on the Commons. QPQ requirement is met. Please see comments on hook above this review. Flibirigit (talk) 09:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you reject the hook despite the comments. @Gerda Arendt: The reviewer found your thesis supportive. Maybe you can suggest an alt hook, which can attract his interest. CeeGee 13:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have more urgent tasks, here and RL. Please wait or do something yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about a point of interest along that way? I wouldn't even mention the year of opening, - nothing special about that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I see. I thought you can spare time because you had analysed the matter, and commented in detail. Thanks anyway for your advice. A solution would be that the reviewer suggests an alt hook, and transfers the review to someone else. CeeGee 15:25, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Flibirigit, would this hook work? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that Lycian Way (path pictured) is named after the ancient civilization which once ruled the area?

Thanks for the suggestion User:HickoryOughtShirt?4, I will think about it. User:CeeGee, are you unwilling to propose any other hooks? This is your nomination after all. I feel that ample constructive criticism has been given to you. Flibirigit (talk) 00:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Any alt hook, which complies with the article, is right to me. I am always open to more interesting hooks. CeeGee 04:52, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Trail of the Lycian Way

ALT2: that the Lycian Way (path pictured) is a marked long-distance trail along the coast of ancient Lycia?

Is "Lycian Way" the official English translation? Just asking because I know more long-distance trails which would rather have "trail" in the title than "way" (in German: Weg). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: Please check the title of the book "Lycian Way" by Kate Clow, a Briton, who concieved it. I am surprised that you find time to make comments while you are very busy. CeeGee 06:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: * ... that on the Lycian Way (path pictured), a hiker can experience all four seasons in one day? —valereee (talk) 12:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to everyone who stepped up and suggested hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 12:14, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 is the best hook suggested, properly mentioned and cited in the article, and would be accepted by AGF. ALT1 is not explicitly cited anywhere in the article that the trail is named after the civilization. ALT2 is also not explicitly cited anywhere in the article that it is a long-distance trail. Once the two citation needed tags are taken care of, then the nomination can be approved. Flibirigit (talk) 12:14, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added references asked for. I did not know that facts in the lede need citation as it is only a summary of well-sourced text in the article. CeeGee 10:17, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere in the article was it explicitly cited or even mentioned that the trail is named after the civilization, nor that it was a long-distance trail. It would be preferable those facts are mentioned and cited in the body, rather than summarized in the introduction. Flibirigit (talk) 10:45, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination now meets all DYK requirements. ALT3, ALT2 and ALT1 are approved, properly mentioned and cited, and verified by AGF. Preference noted for ALT3. Flibirigit (talk) 10:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]