Talk:Mardy Fish

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3 americans in 2007 Australian open quater finals[edit]

i have removed this reference from the article because James Blake was infact defeated in the 4th round today and thus Fish and Roddick are the only americans to qualify for the quater finals. Zepher25 08:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Mardy Fish's Grand Slam results, as posted here, are completely wrong. It appears that Rafael Nadal's results are listed instead, or someone of similar calibre. I do not know how to change it, but they are definitely wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.14.253 (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Advertising[edit]

The_Priyatyel keeps adding sponsors to the tennis players bios. This is just advertising and shouldn't be here Bhny (talk) 00:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Table Deletions - Valdalism or Not?[edit]

To whom it may concern. I offer my appologies for the confusion, but I am not sure if the deletions made by user 89.146.64.218 were legitimate or not. Usually, undocumented content deletions are automatically reverted, but when I saw the statement above that some of the results were wrong, I thought the deletions might be legitimate, so I allowed them. Now on further review, I believe they may have been vandalism, so I have restored them. If you are the primary maintainer of this page, please review all changes over the past few hours. It appears that several users were at work - some obviously adding inflammatory statements (which have been removed as of this writing). There are several of us (I am a newbee) who monifor for and revert apparent vandalism, but sometimes the determination is not as clear as it could be. Tcncv (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Is he of 100% English descent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.253.69 (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Socks[edit]

Is it worth noting that he is the only player on tour to wear ankle socks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.70.52 (talk) 22:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Singles Ranking[edit]

I'm a bit concerned - today, on August 14th 2011 at 3 AM EST, it says that his current/highest singles ranking is 7, as of August 15, 2011 (ie, tomorrow). The reference given states that he is currently ranked 8th, as of last Monday. Thoughts? 99.231.137.105 (talk) 07:13, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Jewish?[edit]

The interviewer here asks Fish if he is going to convert to Judaism or raise his children as Jewish, which to me seems a clear indication that he is not Jewish, but his wife is. The sources I can find right now that state he's Jewish aren't very reliable and don't come from his own words. This interview would seem a pretty strong contradiction. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 19:54, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

That's a non-RS blog, while the info in the article is sourced to multiple RSs.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Epeefleche, take this to a dispute resolution place right now if you wish to continue. I am going to revert this out of the article, period. It's obviously an error and you know that - you know it, too. So I am not going to waste time debating with you. End. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:29, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
You are (again -- you have done this repeatedly before -- I can supply diffs if you like) deleting RS-supported material. You are giving as your "rationale" a non-RS blog. That is not appropriate. This seems to be a habit of yours. Please stop.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:37, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
This conversation is over. You can quote me on that. You saw the interview as well as I do. Go to dispute resolution. But I know you know what you're putting in is false. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:40, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
If sources say Mardy Fish is Jewish then we can say Mardy Fish is Jewish. Mardy Fish is referred to here as a "Jewish-American". Mardy Fish is referred to here as a "Jewish tennis player".
This interview does not say that Mardy Fish is not Jewish. The interviewer is only succeeding in making evident that he has an unsophisticated grasp of Jewish identity. The interviewer says, "you were in this Jewish ceremony and you broke the wine glass". What does that mean? The interviewer is just tossing out references for Mardy Fish to respond to: "Broke the wine glass"? "You were in this Jewish ceremony"? What does any of that mean? Why would we seriously consider the interviewer at that blog to be credible on a question on this topic? It seems to me that Mardy Fish politely deflects the interviewer's next question on "converting", saying that "I think isn't it whatever the wife is?" He is saying nothing on whether he is Jewish or not. He is merely endorsing that his wife is Jewish.
What sorts of sources are being compared here? "Ubitennis" appears to be oriented to tennis, whereas The Jewish Chronicle is a newspaper covering many topics. Its special focus is likely to make it knowledgeable on that which constitutes Jewish identity. Tablet Magazine is also likely to be knowledgeable in this area as it is also a publication with a special focus Jewish topics. Both publications address a wide variety of issues but specialize in topics concerning Jews.
Sourcing is clearly supportive of a statement that Mardy Fish is Jewish. We don't have to give inordinate credence to implications made by people unlikely to be knowledgeable on a topic. All that I find here are a stream of references to wineglasses, Jewish ceremonies, and conversion. While it is true that Mardy Fish did not confront the interviewer on the incorrect implication, this would not be an endorsement of the interviewer's misunderstandings. Bus stop (talk)

My response here is an amended version of an attempt to discuss this issue at User talk:All Hallow's Wraith, that he reverted). AHW's recent revert to the article for Mardy Fish states that "if you're going to keep putting in stuff you know is false, you should stop editing Wikipedia; as soon as possibler". As stated in the lead sentence of Wikipedia:Verifiability, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth — whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." The sources AHW has removed multiple times that state that Fish is Jewish come from Tablet Magazine and The Jewish Chronicle, both of which seem to have a rather strong claim of being reliable and verifiable sources, both of which regularly include content written by notable authors, as listed at the Wikipedia articles for each publication. Ubitennis.com, the source AHW appear's to use as definitive evidence to "prove" that claims that Fish is Jewish are "false", is the self-written blog of a Ubaldo Scanagatta, and neither the web site nor the individual appear to have any coverage in Wikipedia, let alone any reason to believe that it is a reliable source. At best, there would appear to be a conflict about the sources, which would mean that all relevant information should be included, those reliable sources that say he is Jewish and the one that says he isn't. It seems that there is no valid reason to believe that this blog rises to that level and no valid argument based on Wikipedia policy to use this self-published blog as justification to remove verifiably sourced content based on the argument that it is "false". This previous edit, with the edit summary "rvv", in which AHW removed verifiably sourced content to replace it with a blog post, hardly appears to be the legitimate removal of vandalism. AHW appears to be engaged in an edit war here in violation of WP:3RR, removing reliable and verifiable sources that have been added to the article in a manner that does not appear to be justifiable. Alansohn (talk) 17:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Seriously? This is not a blog. It's an interview with the subject of the article on a tennis website that has interviews with many other tennis players. I'm going to tell you what I told Epeefleche. If you wish to fight over stating that a non-Jewish tennis player is Jewish, take it to dispute resolution, BLP noticeboard, etc. right now. Be sure to start your post over there with the Fish interview. I'll change my position on stating that Fish is Jewish on the day he converts to Judaism. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 20:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks to whoever posted this on the List of Jews in Sports. When the 24 hour thing elapses shortly, I will be reverting this out of the article. I urge Alansohn and Epeefleche not to revert. Bus Stop won't be reverting because he's blocked for 31 hours. Considering his posts on this talk page, it should have been for longer. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, never mind, someone already took care of it for me. Like I said, that's the end of that. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:04, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Urination...[edit]

Shouldn't the very important information about the "Australian slang term" be removed from the introduction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.15.179.76 (talk) 22:20, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Any information about why he's called Mardy? It's not exactly a common name… Paul Magnussen (talk) 16:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Once again removed the flag symbol from the infobox per Wikipedia:MOSFLAG -[edit]

I removed the flag from the infobox one time not so long ago, only to find it there. (??!) Maybe there were two USA flags in there and I missed the other one? Anyone who does not agree with this, please see the following please see this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Icons#Avoid_flag_icons_in_infoboxes Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons Inappropriate use]. Specifically, see [1], or Wikipedia:MOSFLAG. IOW, it's OK to place his place of origin and that of death in print only (if applicable) and no flag is needed even there in the English Wikipedia. It IS acceptable in charts further down in the article where especially, he is representing his country in a sports competition. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 18:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

WP:FLAG in the infobox[edit]

I removed the flag one time from the infobox not so long ago, only to find it there. (??!) Maybe there were two USA flags in there and I missed the other one? Anyway, anyone who does not agree with this, please see the following please see this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Icons#Avoid_flag_icons_in_infoboxes Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons Inappropriate use]. Specifically, see [2], or [Wikipedia:MOSFLAG]. IOW, it's OK to place his place of origin and that of death (if applicable) and no flag is needed there in the English Wikipedia. It IS acceptable in charts further down in the article where especially, he is representing his country in a sports competition. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
@Leahtwosaints: You seem to be missing a big item that was put in by overwhelming consensus. "The infobox may contain the national flag icon of an athlete who competes in competitions where national flags are commonly used as representations of sporting nationality in the particular sport." That would be Tennis! They are used for all Tennis player bios, not just Mardy Fish. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:53, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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