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A fact from Mathos appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 September 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that after the army he served in mutinied, Mathos became the leader of a 90,000-strong force in a war against ancient Carthage?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:44, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that after the army he served in mutinied, Mathos became the leader of a 90,000 strong force in a war against ancient Carthage? Source: Bagnall, Nigel (1999). The Punic Wars: Rome, Carthage and the Struggle for the Mediterranean. London: Pimlico. ISBN 978-0-7126-6608-4, pp. 113-114; Hoyos, Dexter (2007). Truceless War: Carthage's Fight for Survival, 241 to 237 BC. Leiden ; Boston: Brill. ISBN 978-90-474-2192-4, p. 141.

Reviewed: Howard Bane

5x expanded by Gog the Mild (talk). Self-nominated at 20:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC).[reply]

A fine and well written article, nicely and sufficiently expanded. The hook is interesting, referenced in the article (the number 90,000 comes from the addition of the 20,000 Sicilian army soldiers plus the 70,000 reinforcements), and I found the referenced information in my copies of the books. No copyvio. The QPQ is also done, so this is good to go. Applodion (talk) 22:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fyi, @Applodion: we use the AGF tick for sources we can’t check. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 03:40, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vincent60030: Done. Sorry, I thought that since I was able check the books (as I have access to them), I could use the regular DYKtick. Applodion (talk) 12:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am confused. Applodion physically checked the sources, so didn't - I would have thought - AGF; so why should they use the AGF tick? Is there some rule we are both unaware of? Gog the Mild (talk) 12:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I have mistaken that @Applodion: didnt have access to that resource, @Gog the Mild:. No worries Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 12:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but am having trouble locating the hook facts. Could you point me to the sentences (with inline cites) that verify his being in the army that mutinied, and his leading a 90,000-strong force? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:48, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yoninah. No problem. Note that while doing this I noticed a couple of (not necessarily related) missing cites and added them.

"It was at this point that Mathos came to prominence as one of the most outspoken of the 20,000 strong army; he was totally opposed to anything less than full payment, including the fulfilment of all verbal promises.^[1]^[2]"
"Provisions, money and 70,000 reinforcements poured in.^[3]^[4]^[5]"
"... he [Spendius] and Mathos were jointly declared generals by the mutineers.^[6]"

So #1 to establish Mathos as a member of the army; #3 to establish him as the (joint) leader [actually he became the senior decision maker, but I am not sure that we need that much nuance here]; #2 and #3 for 20,000 plus 70,000 equals 90,000.

Let me know if you would like me to give the actual words in the sources I am relying on, but note that Applodion above comments "I found the referenced information in my copies of the books"

Cheers

Gog the Mild (talk) 18:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Hoyos 2007, p. 48.
^ Goldsworthy 2006, p. 134.
^ Bagnall 1999, pp. 112–114.
^ Goldsworthy 2006, pp. 133–134.
^ Hoyos 2000, p. 371.
^ Hoyos 2007, pp. 68, 70.

Thank you. Restoring tick (AGF for me). Yoninah (talk) 18:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[FOOTNOTEHoyos200748-1] Hoyos 2007, p. 48.

[FOOTNOTEGoldsworthy2006134-2] Goldsworthy 2006, p. 134.

[FOOTNOTEBagnall1999112–114-3] Bagnall 1999, pp. 112–114.

[FOOTNOTEGoldsworthy2006133–134-4] Goldsworthy 2006, pp. 133–134.

[FOOTNOTEHoyos2000371-5] Hoyos 2000, p. 371.

[FOOTNOTEHoyos200768,_70-6] Hoyos 2007, pp. 68, 70.

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