Talk:Matthew and Hunter Islands

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Micronation claim[edit]

The following text has been repeatedly added by a few editors:

"The Hunter Island is also claimed by the micronation Republic of Lostisland.[1]"

Note that some of the editors adding it are largely single-purpose, and the supposed entity in question doesn't even warrant an article on Wikipedia. --Ckatzchatspy 03:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

However, the Island is claimed by the said micronation, and we do have clear sources to indicate that it does and of course there are pictures of this on the internet. BarnabyJoe (talk) 17:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Hunter Island is one of the most remoted and unapproachable pieces of land, and the very fact that somebody arranged an expedition to it is notable and certainly deserves place in the article. Moreover, this seems to be the only expedition to Hunter in modern history, at least Google doesn't give any results other than the link provided in the references list. Mr. Ckatz, everybody knows that you hate micronations and micronationalism, everybody remembers how you deleted the article about Flandrensis five minutes after I created it (without even bothering to reply to my message on your talkpage), but I believe that Wikipedia is not a suitable place to express your hatred and recoup on the quality of the articles, lighting of the facts and therefore, on the entire encyclopedia. Have a nice day. Escargoten (talk) 18:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I personally think that Lostisland's achievement deserves recognition here. If you don't like Micronations, Mr. Ckatz, then that is a perfectly fine opinion to hold. However, please refrain from trying to put that forward onto the Internet.

Also, just for your information: Just because it does not have a wikipedia article, does not mean that it is unimportant. St Peters Republic (User talk: St Peters Republic\talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by St Peters Republic (talkcontribs) 18:36, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the claim that I "hate micronations and micronationalism" is a load of rubbish... it reflects poorly on the person who posted it. --Ckatzchatspy 08:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
The reference to Lostisland clearly deserves to be let there. There are sources, photo sources, that Lostisland has actually visited it, so it clearly deserves attention. Cipika (talk) 19:15, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I can certainly see where Ckatz is coming from. I'm a micronationalist myself, but despite this I have to say that the edits made by Escargoten violates http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:No_original_research, and that's something eligible for reverting. Case in point, you can't research your own micronational website for posting on Wikipedia. AuburnAttack21 (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I believe that since they have been there and have stated numerous times that they claim it, the sentence should be allowed on the page. The sentence said that Lostisland claimed the land, which they do. It doesn't say that "the land is owned by Lostisland", it states that it is claimed by them, which it is. I say keep the statement on the page. CaseyOHamlin (talk) 21:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
that feel when so many micronationalists I know here--OCCullens (talk) 00:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
And by the way, if somebody thinks more references are needed, you can include this one as well. The world map of micronations, made for the European Journal of Geography, clearly indicates that Hunter Island is claimed by Lostisland. Escargoten (talk) 08:35, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Note that several of the commentators here are low-volume accounts with limited scope. That doesn't negate their opinions, of course, but they should be taken in context. --Ckatzchatspy 09:01, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

If it doesn't negate the opinions, there was no reason for writing this your message. Or is it the only justification for deletion you have? Escargoten (talk) 10:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Please be logical. Notablity means in wikipedia that it should have reliable sources and random websites and blog aren't. Just because you all are his micronationalist friends, this don't mean you would destroy the rules of wikipedia. Rules are rules. Until it isn't in some reliable source. No matter how great work you did- if not in reliable sources, it wouldn't be in wikipeida. Wikipedia wouldn't be first reliable place to talk about you, it just collect already available data from reliable sources- as simple as that.

--Rawal of Jaisalmer (talk) 01:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

What is with the whole references for pages stuff on Wikipedia...--VarickWebbofSpanionte (talk) 03:14, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

References[edit]

Proof of Lost Island micronational claim[edit]

[1] They have made it to their island! They are planning to sail again in November of 2012. --VarickWebbofSpanionte (talk) 23:29, 28 September 2012 (UTC)