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- 1 Asking questions?
- 2 translation for menhir
- 3 "menhir row" vs "stone row"
- 4 "Menhirs in modern culture", anyone?
- 5 Organization
- 6 European origin
- 7 My theory
- 8 Merge Discussion
- 9 Historicality of Asterix
- 10 partial list
- 11 Erich von Daniken's Hypothesis
- 12 Folk Tale
- 13 Korean Menhir
- 14 Disputation of heaviest object moved without powered machinery
- 15 Agriculture
- 16 Both Scandinavia and Sweden?
- 17 Needs redirect for "masseba", has already plural
- 18 External links modified
Were they initially inspired by the mysterious presence of glacial erratics? This has been cut. Is this not a relevant question, for which there is no current answer? Must questions be turned into statements, by the addition of "...is a question asked by some."? Wetman 00:08, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Is there any reason to believe they were? Who thinks so? Why? If you know, please put it in the article. An encyclopedia article is not the place to ask questions, it's the place to answer them. Markalexander100 06:42, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Of course there is reason to ask whether glacial erratics weren't suggestive to the culture that erected menhirs. An encyclopedia, unlike a catechism, is an excellent place to ask questions.Wetman 10:38, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- No, exactly the opposite. A catechism is composed of questions and answers; an encyclopedia provides information. Asking questions does not provide information. Saying that somebody has asked a question does provide information. Markalexander100 00:38, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
A catechism provides the canonical answers. It does not permit unauthorized questions. Like a child's first encyclopedia. Wetman 00:42, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
--Interested persons may want to take a look at the menhirs in North Africa and ancient Iberia which --from what I've read-- have much in common and are dated and structured similarly.
translation for menhir
i think that the source for the translation is false men is stone, but hir is for standing/raised representing the position of the stone and not its length — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 08:00, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
"menhir row" vs "stone row"
Hello, in french we say "menhir alignments", but in english, how do you say ? I'm asking because there is a small talk about it on Commons. So if you are aware of something, help us please !-) YolanCh 18:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
"Menhirs in modern culture", anyone?
Or would that just be a bullet on Obelix?
Sounds good to me. :-) Mdotley 15:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
actually I believe the recent Pokémon games (ones set in "Kalos" i.e. France) have several of these and they're part of the plot as well, so there's that. --CatCat (talk) 19:42, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
I just added in some headings, moved one sentence, and broke a paragraph into two, (since it addressed two different ideas). I didn't quite call it a minor edit, but since I didn't change the content, maybe I should have. Mdotley 15:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
What about menhirs / isolated standing stones from other parts of the world? There are some in Sabah, on the island of Borneo. I have a photo of my grandparents standing by one; here's an article that mentions them http://www.badanwarisan.org.my/content/?cid=117 (scroll to the bottom; sorry can't do the computer magic linky thing). I'm sure there must be standing stones from elsewhere in the world too, and there doesn't seem to be a section in megaliths that would accommodate them. I'm new to Wikipedia and don't feel qualified to write about this - any takers? Monique34 00:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
My theory? Someone thought it would be fun to erect some big rock that they found lying on the ground. I know, I know, no original research... :) Stale Fries taste better 07:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
- I've often thought about that two; pranksters. I doubt that they had the free time in the bronze age for that kind of thing though. Ceoil (talk) 17:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Aw, jeez, thanks a lot. Now all I can think of is a couple of Neolithic Beavis and Butthead types "erecting" one of these things...uh-huh-huh-huh-huh... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Historicality of Asterix
Might be worthwhile, since many readers will only know of menhirs from Asterix, to include a short para explaining the (lack of) historicity involved. E.g., they probably weren't made by one person, certainly not carried by one person, not sold as commodities, not garden decorations, not weapons, not specifically French. Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the partial list of menhirs as there is a List of menhirs that isn't complete anyway, so the partial list was pointless. Also people kept adding menhirs to the partial list and not the other list. Richerman (talk) 00:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Erich von Daniken's Hypothesis
In the book "Signs Of The Gods?" , von Daniken says that the menhirs contained quartz. He hypothesises that they were used as radio antennae, since quartz generates electrical current as a reaction to waves(my semi-acoustic guitar uses the same tech-the vibrations of the body make the quartz in the piezo-electric pickup generate electricity, which is sent to the amplifier, resulting in sound). He said that the underground "grooves" in the menhirs showed traces of metals. He said that the menhirs were used as radio antennae, using wires underground which have since been corroded away across millenia. He also claimed that it could have never been used as a calendar, since men in those days were not so stupid so as not to notice that all seasons followed one another. Anyone got any info on this? This is just one of the oddities he mentioned in his books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
- Von daniken has made a lot of money out of peddling pseudoscience and his books are full, of half truths and rubbish. I remember when Chariots of the Gods? first became popular in the 70's a TV programme was made that debunked a lot of his claims. For instance, he claimed that he'd found stones carved thousands of years ago with scenes depicting a heart transplant. The programme makers actually found the guy that was engraving the stones for the tourist market and he said he'd copied the pictures from medical journals. There was also a photo of an "alien landing strip with a turning bay" on the Nazca plain which was shown to be a close up of the knee of a stylised bird. If you want to find some more debunking of the rubbish he peddles try here and here. I'm pretty sure that when he makes these claims about underground grooves and cables he hasn't done any excavations to investigate. Even if the cables had corroded away there would still be evidence of them left in the soil. Richerman (talk) 17:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm from Brittany. Menhirs and dolmens, I've seen quite a few! In many places, people believe the megaliths have supernatural powers. One widespread belief deals with fertility. Rituals such as crawling under a dolmen, or "hugging" a menhir are quite common for couples who want a child. It is supposed to bring fertility to women. I know quite a few very "rational" people who have practiced these rituals themselves. Somehow, this belief persists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is the encylopedia anyone can edit. If you can find some information on Korean menhirs that is verifiable, either in books or on the web, please fell free to add it. If you don't feel able to do it yourself put some web links on this discussion page and maybe someone else will add them. Richerman (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Disputation of heaviest object moved without powered machinery
This portion from "In France." "The largest surviving menhir in the world is located in Locmariaquer, Brittany, and is known as the Grand Menhir Brisé (Great Broken Menhir). Once nearly 20 meters high, today, it lies fractured into four pieces, but would have weighed near 330 tons when intact. It is placed third after the Thunder Stone in St. Petersburg and the Western Stone in the Western Wall as the heaviest object moved by humans without powered machinery."
Hmmmm.... This article [] cites a stone weighing some 1,000 tons, clearly exceeding 330 tons and another weighing ca. 1,200 tons. So this part is not accurate.
- Except it doesn't say they were moved, they were found in the quarry. Dougweller (talk) 06:43, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
In agriculture, standing stones are the result of clearing an area of land, from stones, for the agricultural growing of crops, or for example potatoes. Standing stones are the result of only being able to roll big stones out of the way and then upending them, to clear the surrounding area for the planting of barley, for instance. Smaller stones are piled up in a heap. This belief, is from my memory of overhearing gaelic speaking farmers in the 1960's in the inner Hebrides discussing managing stones on their allocated strip of farming land. Roladdar (talk) 21:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The article has two seperate entries for Scandinavia and Sweden, shouldn't they be merged, seeing as Sweden is part of Scandinavia? The Scandinavia section even lists regions where the tradition was strongest, some of them being in Sweden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Needs redirect for "masseba", has already plural
... "massebot". Weird :-) Arminden
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