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Notable?[edit]

Mother Sayamagyi is one of the most notable vipassana teachers in the world. See [1] for a list of worldwide meditation centres establish by Mother Sayamagyi. References are also included in the article. Mysticeditor (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Please provide multiple, independent, reliable sources to meet our notability criteria. --Ronz (talk) 20:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Official website external link[edit]

I am adding the Official website of the meditation centres created by and governed by Mother Sayamagyi. The link is in the external links section. Mysticeditor (talk) 03:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:ELOFFICIAL#What_should_be_linked and Wikipedia:ELOFFICIAL#Official_links. Mysticeditor (talk) 03:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

internationalmeditationcentre.org is the official site for The International Meditation Center, not for Mother Sayamagyi. --Ronz (talk) 04:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Mother Sayamagyi is the head of internationalmeditationcentre.org. Mysticeditor (talk) 04:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

In it's place, I added a direct link to the short profile that The International Meditation Center has listed below the biography of Sayagyi U Ba Khin. --Ronz (talk) 04:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I have checked a number of other entries and I agree. Bill Gates doesn't have a link to microsoft website and Larry page doesn't have a link to google website. End of disagreement. Mysticeditor (talk) 04:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad we could work this out together. Thanks for your patience and understanding. --Ronz (talk) 16:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Article editing and talk page[edit]

This article, currently titled "Mya Thwin" contains the edit history and talk page discussions. Please rename this article properly to retain this information. --Ronz (talk) 20:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Why? Articles are under the subject's name. The title her followers use is in the article, and there is a redirect. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
The note was meant to explain why I removed the redirect and stop the move-warring [2]. Sorry that it wasn't clear. --Ronz (talk) 21:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

This move made without any discussion. Mysticeditor (talk) 00:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

We're discussing it now. My main concern is that we don't lose the history and discussions in the process. --Ronz (talk) 00:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea how to restore the history page. My efforts to Restore things were rewarded with a warning from a bot, and then a lock down. The person who made the move with no discussion (user:Hybernator) must be laughing at the irony and his good fortune.

But according to Wikipedia naming conventions, see: Wikipedia:Naming_conventions, this page is wrongly named/titled.

Quote: Article names should be recognizable to readers, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable English-language sources.

Quote: Articles are normally titled using the most common English-language name of the subject of the article. In determining what this name is, we follow the usage of reliable sources, such as those used as references for the article.

As far as I can ascertain, Mother Sayamagyi is never referred to as Mya Thwin in any of the sources, but always as Mother Sayamagyi or simply Sayamagyi.

English language sources are: Art of crossing cultures‎, Craig Storti; The Middle way, Volumes 71-72‎ - Page 142; The way to ultimate calm: selected discourses of Webu Sayadaw; The Buddhist directory: United States of America & Canada‎ - Page 183;

Mysticeditor (talk) 02:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Response[edit]

My apologies for causing all the commotion. I should have first discussed the move. Apologies. But using a generic term like Mother Sayamagyi (Sayamagyi means Grand Teacher in Burmese) for a Wiki article name, in my opinion, is akin to titling Kim Jong Il's page as Dear Leader. Secondly, I don't think she's notable enough to monopolize the name Mother Sayamagyi when it's common Burmese custom to call an elderly learned female "mother and/or sayamagyi". The sources you cite may refer to her as such but we don't title Jesus's page as Our Lord the Saviour even though you can find a lot of Christian literature referring to Jesus as such. Thirdly, the article still reads like an ad written by a member of her flock, rather from a neutral point of view. I tried to reduce the fawning factor by removing Burmese honorifics like Sayagyi or U. (But it still reads like an ad.) Just because the Burmese language confers such honorifics as a form of respect doesn't mean that these overly respectful usages should be transliterated into English. The only exceptions are well known single syllable names like U Thant and U Nu. Never U Ba Khin or Daw Aung San Suu Kyi. Please see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Burmese). If you don't agree with the current convention, please do contribute to the convention article.

With metta, Hybernator (talk) 15:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Notability, Objectivity and Neutrality.[edit]

Let us try to be Objective and Neutral and Scientific about this. If you are going to add or remove tags, then please discuss it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mysticeditor (talkcontribs) 09:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Notability and deletion

Plenty of articles in wikipedia have have less notable subjects than this one and yet they are not tagged for deletion or notability. For example see Ajahn_Brahm. That person is only sourced in web articles (not books) and yet notability is not disputed.

Article name

the article Ajahn_Brahm is not named Ajahn Brahmavamso Mahathera. The name of this article should be: Mother Sayamagyi. Read : Wikipedia:Naming_conventions.

references or sources

Ok, I see 4 book sources in the article and one web reference. How many are needed? The article Ajahn_Brahm only has web references and no book sources.

tone

I have made the tone NPOV and as objective as possible. If you find parts that have the wrong tone, then lets discuss it. But as far as I see, the tone is fine now.
...and so on. Mysticeditor (talk) 09:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
There are no actual footnotes, just vague references to possibly-nonreliable sources. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)