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NFL Europa[edit]

NFL Europa ist the official new name of the NFLE!

Greets, Gulp 22:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Reference this part of the article and the link that accompanies it NFL Europa. Something about trying to have their own identity while keeping ties with the NFL. Pharos04 10:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

High Hopes[edit]

I re-added as best I could about how the NFLE, before last weeks news, had hopes of adding teams and having a playoff system again. I think it's relavent to the page because it shows how unexpected the folding is for most. Kanga-Kucha

I've removed it as it's unsourced. Feel free to re-add it once you have the references to go with it. Thanks. Also, please add new posts to the bottom, not the top. Thanks. - BillCJ 01:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)



The NFLE had more different rules than those mentioned, I look into find out all the rules that were used, and edit that section later, most likely in a list format. Kanga-Kucha

Why did the league shut down?[edit]

Why was NFL Europa discontinued in 2007? The attendences seemed pretty healthy, the popularity of American Football is growing in Europe. Perhaps the article could say more about why the league ended, and what is the future for the sport in Europe. Are their any plans for a replacement?

It's explained in the article. Read the article and you'll see why. --Crash Underride 01:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I appreciate that the article says that it was losing the NFL $30 million a year, but it doesn't really explain why. The crowds were good, paticularly in Germany, and the levels of interest and competion seemed to be rising. What I paticularly think the article lacks is information about the future - the qoute from the NFL seems extremely vague on this, as through they are really intending to give up completly on football in Europe, other than hosting the odd regular NFL game there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Cornwallis (talkcontribs)

If you can find a reliable source or 2 to add such info, then by all means do. But if there isn't anything out there, then we can't add anything. Besides, if it was that popular in Germany, wouldn't the governments (state and/or federal) there have subsidized it to keep it going? ;) - BillCJ (talk) 18:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The league had good crowds for a minor sport but away from the most popular franchises a lot of free tickets had to be given away to attract 10,000 or more spectators. I believe the main reason for its unprofitability was the failure to attract TV stations to back it. My POV is that NFL made a mistake in shutting it down as $30 million was not much for such a wealthy league. Its one off games in Europe may be more profitable but will not build lasting support. 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Face it, American football will just never catch on outside the United States. Europeans find it boring and unwatchable-- especially since a foreign league (NFL) imposed it upon them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

$30 million is the cost of two QB's in the NFL at the franchise tag, from the developmental aspect alone it is worth that IMO, one thing that I think they should have done is play near US Military bases and give US military discounts. -- (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

well... couple of things: first no sport apart from soccer gets any political recognition beyond city level in Germany. Olympic Handball might attract crowds of 10 000 plus at every game and Dirk Nowitzky may be one of the best non-Americans to ever play the game of Basketball... German politicians just don't care. I think the league had one franchise thatworked and that was Frankfurt (maybe working on their own they would have even been profitable) the others could have worked with local (political) support, success on the field and so on. Of course the crowds were good and the whole thing cost the NFL pennies once you come down to it. But Mr Gooddell (or however you spell him, I don't care) just didn't like it because it was the "baby" of his predecessor. There is potential for American Football in Europe. As seen by now four Germans playing NFL (Björn Werner in Indi, Markus Kuhn for the Giants, Kasim Edebali for the saints I think and Sebastian Vollmer for the Pats) and a 30 000 crowd in Vienna for the European Championship final of Germany vs. Austria where Germany beat Austria in double overtime (which was all over the Austrian newspaper the next day, but hardly noticed in Germany, because as I said.... some Germans are stupid and some of them own newspapers and thin sport=soccer) I don't think the London games (that are visited by quite a lot of German fans who see it as the only feasible way to watch a NFL game for less than 1000€ all told) are the feature of the league. I think some minor operation like the AFL or that lingerie league is going to make an entry in Europe draw supprisingly big crowds (if they are smart with placing there franchises in Football towns and not just anywhere... Vienna would be a good idea, London.... not so much) and suddenly the NFL wakes up and decides they always needed a minor league across the pond. How do I know? well if it hadn't been for the 60s AFL there wouldn't be a team south of DC for crying out loud! the NFL always does the right thing once a competing operation with less money to burn has shown them how to do it... and with more than one third of ALL Americans (women, children and blind or senile people included) wathcing the Super Bowl every year, the league will just have to try growing the sport globally... sooner or later... (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Redundant articles?[edit]

Do we really need a seperate article for the 1991-1992 version of the World League? It really is the same league, with some of the same teams continuing. The articles have a great deal of redundant info, and could be merged rather easily?oknazevad (talk) 02:15, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to merge World League of American Football to this article[edit]

Closing per a WP:ANRFC request.
There is a clear consensus to merge World League of American Football into this article, but there is a rough consensus against renaming the article to "NFL Europa". Armbrust The Homunculus 12:36, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

According to the National Football League, NFL Europa and the World League of American Football (WLAF) are the same thing. The WLAF began in 1991, ran for two seasons (91-92) before being suspended for two seasons (93-94). It returned in 1995, reworked into a six-team European circuit and continued play until 2007. [1] Having two articles on the same organization makes no real sense. Therefore, I propose the useful text of the WLAF article be merged into this article (NFL Europe), also including the WLAF logo. I also propose this article be renamed to 'NFL Europa', the league's name for its last season. Current names are normally used, and this league should be no exception. Toa Nidhiki05 23:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Agreed. They are one and the same and should certainly be the same article. I can confirm this as my father used to work for WLAF. 2604:2000:E602:D900:A060:481F:AA49:E825 (talk) 16:52, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose.' The leagues were separate entities and the original WLAF was not the developmental league that the eventual NFL Europe became. I also oppose renaming this article to NFL Europa because the league was only known as that for one year. --ChrisP2K5 (talk) 07:33, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Agree. Though it can be argued that WLAF is the predecessor of NFLE, one must consider that they never operated simultaneously. Rather, NFLE is the result of evolution of WLAF. Especially consider that the European teams in WLAF remained in operation into and through the NFLE, not changing names or any major details. Becoming a developmental league is just another facet of the league's evolution from the NFL's vision, since it started and supported the whole venture across both decades. As for whether the page should be titled NFL Europe or NFL Europa, since it is defunct, I don't know whether Wikipedia's style editors prefer what it was known as longest or last. Eric (talk) 18:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Agree: It was the same league that was renamed, during the WLAF era it was also a developmental league. Smith03 (talk) 20:43, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Agree: Contrary to what the articles imply, there isn't a neat divide between "WLAF" ('91-'92) and "World League" ('95-'97). The branding used both – sometimes the league was called only World League in its first incarnation (e.g. on 1991 football cards, and books they published), and sometimes it was still World League of American Football in 1995. It's totally a continuation, and could be merged into a better single article. (But the title shouldn't be "NFL Europa" - that would require a Rename proposal.) Demokra (talk) 22:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

1991 WLAF season/1992 WLAF season: How many games ?[edit]

So if there was ten teams, and they each played each other team once during the regular season before the playoffs, then that would be nine games played by each team. How is there ten ?Eregli bob (talk) 06:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I suspect each team played one other twice, having checked the 1991 WLAF season article quickly. Haven't checked the 1992 WLAF season yet, but the answer should be in those two articles. - Demokra (talk) 01:22, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Names used from '91-'97: World League / W.L.A.F.[edit]

As mentioned, this branding seemed to change over time. But there's a misconception (repeated by Len Pasquarelli) that the original "WLAF" became the "World League" at some point. A rudimentary search suggests the exact opposite.

The 1991-92 US/Canada/Europe league was usually called the shorter name, "World League": logo on the Wembley field at the '91 World Bowl, this TV ad,/the (US?) football card set, and an official 1992 book. Certainly Americans (having 6 of 10 teams then) wouldn't need the name to explain which sport this was!

But Europeans might, and in the '95-'97 Europe-only league, it appears that the longer name, "World League of American Football", was officially used, even in American TV coverage. See video of the '95 opener '96 World Bowl and a poster for the '97 Bowl. The same logo was used, with either just "World League" or "World League of American Football". I'm yet to find any use of the "WLAF" logo in '91-'92 or the "World League" logo in '95-'97. Demokra (talk) 20:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I believe the official name was World League of American Football until 1998, but World League was a shorten name that dates back to 1991 see [2] league game balls over the history you can see in 1991 on the ball the term "World League" was used Skippypeanuts (talk) 14:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources on the WLAF & NFL Europe-a[edit]

UK newspaper The Independent has many, many contemporary 1990s articles online. Naturally slanted towards covering the Monarchs, but could greatly improve this article's range.


"Ex-Tottenham Hotspur striker Clive Allen also kicked for the Monarchs,[37][38] while fellow footballers Jesús Angoy, Manfred Burgsmüller and Silvio Diliberto kicked for the Barcelona Dragons, Rhein Fire and Amsterdam Admirals respectively.[39]" Considering that the game this league played is called football the use of the term "footballer" here is rather confusing.--Khajidha (talk) 15:14, 25 February 2015 (UTC)