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On 28 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Native American religion to Native American religions. The result of the discussion was moved.

On 5 April 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Native American religions in the United States. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Native Americans religion survey

This is what I initially posted on Foorgood's user page[1] after reverting his addition:

Insufficient data on religion poll

The survey does not say how "Native American" respondents were gauged - by tribal standards, self-id, or random census worker's impressions. I looked over the site and could find no data on this. Without this supporting data, the resultant poll results are unfortunately useless and possibly very misleading, for instance, like the mascot polls that rely on self-id. If it's anything like the general reporting in the last census, where self-id was allowed, the number of people falsely reporting Native status/ancestry increased exponentially. These could be largely non-Natives with blood myths. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 20:31, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PRRI is the most reputable religious source in the US after Pew that is used on Wiki. The methodology just like any other religious survey is extensive and detailed here. https://www.prri.org/research/2020-census-of-american-religion/#_ftn1 " 2020 American Values Atlas (AVA) is a project of PRRI. Results for all demographic, religious affiliation, and political affiliation questions were based on 50,334 bilingual telephone interviews (including 35,212 cell phone interviews) conducted between January 7, 2020 and December 20, 2020 by professional interviewers under the direction of SSRS. National results for questions on specific issues are based on a subset of 10,052 telephone interviews (including 6,981 cell phone interviews) conducted in 10 weeks spread across the year. State level results for questions on specific issues are based on the national subset plus an oversample of 10 key states in 30 additional weeks, resulting in 23,536 interviews across all 50 states plus the District of Columbia (including 16,848 cell phone interviews)." Foorgood (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right, phone interviews. Self-reporting/self-id by a non-Native survey company. Exactly how we got those mascot results the Washington team used to defend their former mascot. No proof anyone they spoke too was actually Indigenous. Not RS for Native American data. That is the data I looked at. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 21:30, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, this article is about the spiritual and religious beliefs found in the Indigenous cultures of Indigenous peoples of the Americas, not about other, non-Native religions people who self-identify as Native American, and who may or may not have any connection to an Indigenous culture, may also participate in or have converted to, or have had their ancestors forcibly converted to. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 21:37, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your only valid point is that my edit belongs elsewhere since this is about their indigenous religions but your requisite of a "native survey company" is invalid. Your opinion has no say in trying to undermine PRRI which is used all over wiki as a top reliable source.Foorgood (talk) 23:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying here. Please read it again. It's not about a "Native survey company" ("Native American" and "Indigenous" are capitalized when referring to people, btw). It's also not about this company's other surveys. It's about this issue of self-id and the fact that self-id in a phone poll is not a reliable criteria. If the survey was about the religion of those who self-id as Native, or who self-id as having Native heritage, that would be another issue. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:57, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Material Works (contribs) 21:29, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Native American religions → Native American religions in the United States – According to the first line of the article "Native American religions are the spiritual practices of the Native Americans in the United States." However, the title could refer to any indigenous groups in the Americas. I believe that Native American religions in the United States is a better title. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 21:05, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - unnecessarily long. The term "Native American" already applies to only Native tribes within the US. In Canada they're called First Nations and they use Spanish terms in the countries south of the US border. And there's not even other articles about those nations and their Indigenous religions so I'm not sure what's the point of distinguishing this as US-centric when you mentioned creating a separate disambiguation page for Indigenous religions in the Americas that doesn't redirect here.

oncamera _{(talk page)} 18:40, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - per Oncamera. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 18:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose adds length without adding meaning. Yuchitown (talk) 13:58, 8 April 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown[reply]

Please note that Native Americans is a disambiguation page and the article about the Indigenous inhabitants of the United States is at Native Americans in the United States. And that article is only about Indigenous people in mainland United States. While most of the time Native American does refer to only those inhabiting the United States it is not exclusive. Some examples include:

Dictionary definitions - Merriam-Webster and Cambridge Dictionary.

Encyclopedia Britannica - "Native American...member of any of the aboriginal peoples of the Western Hemisphere, although the term often connotes only those groups whose original territories were in present-day Canada and the United States." and Native American history.

The Handbook of Native American Mythology and Native American History both cover all of North America and include Inuit.

A Native American Encyclopedia "Addressing over 200 groups of Native American groups in Canada and the United States,..."

Native American Mathematics covers both North and South America

The Gale Encyclopedia of Native American Tribes covers all North America.

"...Native American philosophy and culture in the United States as well as Canada." from Indian from the Inside Native American Philosophy and Cultural Renewal, 2d Ed.

There is some more links at Talk:Native Americans#Requested move 18 September 2017 but I didn't review them. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 18:11, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as incorrect branching. The proposed title implies that the broader topic is "all religions of indigenous peoples of the Americas", of which we are focusing specifically on the United States. Instead, I think the broader topic should be "indigenous peoples of the United States", of which we are focusing specifically on their religion. If you really wanted to include "United States", the correct way to do it would be Religions of Native Americans of the United States (which I oppose as long and unwieldy, for the record). -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Waashat Religion Overhaul

I have just edited the Waashat Religion section in a effort to make it more up to Wikipedia's standards. I have not removed the section warning header in the case someone thinks it still belongs there. I would like a second opinion as to whether or not the header is still needed. Inndrid (talk) 22:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]