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On 22 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to New Zealand plover. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Species status

Given that we follow IOC, which is lumpy when it comes to this taxon, and the IUCN is rather splitty, is it accurate to describe it as critically endangered? That's referring to the Stewart Island population, not the wider taxon as a whole? Maybe we need a "see text" in the taxobox? Sabine's Sunbird talk 20:19, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

As the project standard for species and subspecies names is the IOC, it is proposed that Northern red-breasted plover and Southern red-breasted plover be merged into this article. Loopy30 (talk) 15:03, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

comment If the IOC recognised what BirdLife and the IUCN redlist already have, then two articles would be okay? If so, what would be different, how does it become a more expandable and distinct concept for an article? cygnis insignis 16:54, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've cleaned them all up a bit, so hopefully they can all stay...let me know what you think....following IOC taxonomy....Pvmoutside (talk) 21:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that they should be kept separate as things seem to be going that way with the authorities. But in general, subspecies should be covered at the species level articles (unless extremely notable somehow, in my opinion). FunkMonk (talk) 01:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) - 2pou (talk) 20:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand plover → New Zealand dotterel – I believe it's worth having a discussion about the name of this article. In New Zealand, the name New Zealand plover is seldom used compared to New Zealand dotterel. Various news sources,^[1]^[2], scientific literature,^[3]^[4] as well as the Department of Conservation,^[5] and OSNZ,^[6] refer to the species as New Zealand dotterel. I also make the note that Wikiproject Birds states that "Wikipedia bird article titles may diverge from the IOC list when the most common name in reliable sources is different from the IOC name." In addition, I would like to highlight the recent change of the Kererū's article name from its IOC name, so this would not be an unprecedented move.

References

^ Rowe, Damian (2019-12-15). "Stewart Island deer pose threat to critically endangered southern New Zealand dotterel". Southland Times. Stuff.co.nz. Retrieved 2020-06-12.
^ "'At risk' dotterels raising a family for the first known time at Waikanae Estuary". New Zealand Herald. 2018-12-05. Retrieved 2020-06-12.
^ Dowding, John E. (1999). "Past distribution and decline of the New Zealand Dotterel (Charudrius obscurus) in the South Island of New Zealand" (PDF). Notornis. 46: 167–180. Retrieved 2020-06-12.
^ Barth, Julia M. I.; Matschiner, Michael; Robertson, Bruce C. (2013). "Phylogenetic Position and Subspecies Divergence of the Endangered New Zealand Dotterel (Charadrius obscurus)". PLoS One. 8 (10): e78068. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0078068.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
^ "New Zealand dotterel/tūturiwhatu". Department of Conservation. n.d. Retrieved 2020-06-12.
^ Robertson, CJR; Hyvönen, P; Fraser, MJ; Pickard, CR (2007). Bird distribution in New Zealand 1999–2004 (PDF). Wellington, New Zealand: Ornithological Society of New Zealand.

-Air55- ^(Talk) 03:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support While I hope that one day the usage of the Māori name (tūturiwhatu) will be prevalent enough that the article can be renamed to that, the bird in question is definitely far more commonly referred to as a dotterel than a plover. Definitely supportive of changing the article name to reflect that. Turnagra (talk) 04:39, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The New Zealand dotterel (Charadrius obscurus) is a species of shorebird found only in certain areas of New Zealand. The southern subspecies (C. o. obscurus) is considered critically endangered by the International Union for Conservation of Nature, with only 60 to 80 mature individuals remaining in 2017. This individual, from the more numerous northern subspecies (C. o. aquilonius), was photographed at Point Chevalier, Auckland.

Photograph credit: John Harrison

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Correct the taxonomy reference in "Taxonomy and systematics"

Hello, this is a suggestion to correct the taxonomy reference. There is an earlier article by Barth et al. (2013) that found the relationship that is cited here as an article from 2015. The correct text/reference is:

A 2013 study determined that its closest relatives are two other New Zealand plovers, the wrybill, which was found to be in the Charadrius CRD II clade, and the double-banded plover.^[1]

^ Barth, Julia M.I.; et al. (2013). "Phylogenetic position and subspecies divergence of the endangered New Zealand dotterel (Charadrius obscurus)" (PDF). PLoS ONE. 8(10): e78068. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0078068. PMID 24205094.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

Transglycosylase (talk) 22:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 08:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand dotterel → New Zealand plover – IOC 14.1 update ——🦝 The Interaccoonale ^{Will be the raccoon race}_{(talk・contribs)} 01:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose, what is the WP:COMMONNAME? Is there a recent switch to this name per WP:NAMECHANGES? Otherwise the argument seems WP:OFFICIALNAMES which is to be avoided. No specific naming convention stated for an exemption. If proven to meet WPNC, please ping. Dank Jae 21:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now - the birds are still widely called dotterels locally. Turnagra (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. What change of any significance has happened since the move discussion above in June 2020, for one thing? Nurg (talk) 09:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] Rowe, Damian (2019-12-15). "Stewart Island deer pose threat to critically endangered southern New Zealand dotterel". Southland Times. Stuff.co.nz. Retrieved 2020-06-12.

[2] "'At risk' dotterels raising a family for the first known time at Waikanae Estuary". New Zealand Herald. 2018-12-05. Retrieved 2020-06-12.

[3] Dowding, John E. (1999). "Past distribution and decline of the New Zealand Dotterel (Charudrius obscurus) in the South Island of New Zealand" (PDF). Notornis. 46: 167–180. Retrieved 2020-06-12.

[4] Barth, Julia M. I.; Matschiner, Michael; Robertson, Bruce C. (2013). "Phylogenetic Position and Subspecies Divergence of the Endangered New Zealand Dotterel (Charadrius obscurus)". PLoS One. 8 (10): e78068. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0078068.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

[5] "New Zealand dotterel/tūturiwhatu". Department of Conservation. n.d. Retrieved 2020-06-12.

[6] Robertson, CJR; Hyvönen, P; Fraser, MJ; Pickard, CR (2007). Bird distribution in New Zealand 1999–2004 (PDF). Wellington, New Zealand: Ornithological Society of New Zealand.

[Barth-7] Barth, Julia M.I.; et al. (2013). "Phylogenetic position and subspecies divergence of the endangered New Zealand dotterel (Charadrius obscurus)" (PDF). PLoS ONE. 8(10): e78068. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0078068. PMID 24205094.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

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