Talk:Night owl (person)

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Wikipedia or Wiktionary[edit]

Something to ponder: Does this page belong in wikpedia or wiktionary? --Bachrach44 06:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

  • I would say Wikipedia. It is a term used to describe a medical condition, hence can be expanded. - Eagle(talk) 06:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, it's more like state than a condition. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 07:35, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Merge?[edit]

Has anyone considered merging this with either Sleep_disorders or Insomnia?--172.153.7.119 12:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It really is a different case, but I guess that is feasible, especially after taking into consideration how badly this article is written - Eagle(talk) 19:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
If anything, it should be merged with delayed sleep phase syndrome. I've added an internal link. However, I think it should be improved rather than merged, as not all night owls have DSPS. DSPS is a persistent and difficult-to-treat sleep disorder. Kla'quot 05:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
IMO "Night Owl" should not be merged with DSPS as mentioned above and should also not be merged with insomnia nor with "sleep disorders", as that isn't what it is. As I understand it, researchers consider morningness/eveningness (early bird/night owl) to be within the normal range of "diurnal preferences" as they're called, while ASPS and DSPS clearly are disorders. The suggestion above to put "Night Owl" in the dictionary is a good one. Hordaland 19:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Just removed this[edit]

"Also known to have a penchant for the arts, smoking cigarettes, and most night owls have also been classified as a Type B personality." This sounds like it may be original research. Does anyone have a source for it? Kla'quot 03:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

playing pinball all night in the governor's mansion[edit]

Removed ref.

In a very long article in TIME, mostly about his wife (title: The Better Half), it is mentioned in passing that Bill Clinton was criticized for this. He may be a "night owl", but this isn't a sufficient source for that. --Hordaland (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Removing 'Natteravnene'[edit]

Night Owls - parent group
The organization "Night Owls" (Natteravnene) is a volutary group of parents walking the streets in the Nordic countries observing youth partying [1]. While underage drinking isn't recommended culture - especially in Denmark - allows the youth to drink with parental supervision and there in only restriction on alcohol purchase [2] - not consuming. See Legal drinking age.

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I'm going to remove the above section from the article because:

  • It has no relation to the topic of the article.
  • Though the info is true, it is very poorly referenced. (Countless Scandinavian newspaper articles [and possibly some elsewhere?] have been written about this movement.)
  • The title isn't good, as it is not true that the movement is made up of just parents. Teachers and other concerned adults also volunteer.

The topic is interesting and, properly written and sourced, it may warrant it's own article on English Wikipedia. Norwegian (bokmål) Wikipedia has an article on it; in that country the movement (organization) was founded in 1990, based on the Nattuglorna movement in Karlstad in Sweden. (I haven't found any article on the movement in the Norwegian (nynorsk), Swedish or Danish Wikipedias.)

Perhaps there is some other existing article in English where this material would fit nicely? --Hordaland (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

We could make a new article about it as the idea is spreading down through Europe. As for additional sources I have found:
What makes the movement so special is that they dont judge the behavior or alcohol consumption of the youth. They are only out there to secure safe streets for the youth, because they are aware of the Danish involvement in the 11. crusade known other places as the "War against terrorism". It is a crash of cultures where the drinkers are the youth who grow up and don't become suicide bombers but productive members of the society. Covergaard (talk) 11:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how old the movement is in Denmark, but in the rest of Scandinavia it predates anything called the "War on Terror" by a decade or more. In Norway at least, it functions not only in the cities, but also in smaller and homogeneous communities. It is very worthy, and I think it's remarkable that it continues after the initial "Hey, that's a good idea"-enthusiasm died down. Almost 20 years now! --Hordaland (talk) 11:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
By the way, 'Natteravnene' in Norwegian translates to "The Night Ravens". Not owls. --Hordaland (talk) 19:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

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Owls are awake at night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.192.81 (talk) 13:28, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Delayed sleep phase syndrome[edit]

Link appears in "Origins" section, should it also appear in See Also, where I put it originally, or not? Jacobisq (talk) 10:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

no need for both - either one or the other. The way it is now is probably best as link is in context.--Penbat (talk) 14:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

'John Paul Gibney'[edit]

User:Dannibaby284 has twice added the following sentence just before a ref about Denmark (not UK).

  • "In the United Kingdom they are often referred to as 'John Paul Gibney'."

If this is true and belongs in the article, it needs a reference. --Hordaland (talk) 20:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

insomnia and Delayed sleep phase disorder[edit]

i think there should be some kind of reference to both insomnia and Delayed sleep phase disorder, and explain that they are not the same thing.zeroro(talk)(edits) 19:27, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder does appear in the article. I can't see a natural way to introduce Insomnia there. --Hordaland (talk) 23:43, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

remove a line[edit]

I removed the line "People who stay up late may generally be more intelligent than others, because staying up late is considered evolutionarily novel," because it was utter nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.61.250.208 (talk) 18:30, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Those of us with circadian rhythm disorders have joked about that claim on many a forum. --Hordaland (talk) 01:11, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Vaya Con Dios album[edit]

Seeing as this is where "Night Owls" redirects to, should there be a link to the Vaya Con Dios Album "Night Owls" at the top? I'd add it myself but I don't know the markup and don't know if it should go here on on the redirect page. Cafeeine (talk) 05:47, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you! I'm glad you found this 1997 article for us. --Hordaland (talk) 05:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Type A and B[edit]

Is there any connection between Type A and B sleeping pattern, and Type A and B personality? I know Kla'quot pointed out an WP:OR issue about this above, but is there any connection between them? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 07:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC)