Talk:Nintendo Switch Lite

Regarding the System Image

Why is the Sword/Shield variant used for the header image? It's a limited edition, and not one of the primary four color variants that Nintendo advertises on the website: https://www.nintendo.com/switch/lite/ Not only that, the transparency on that image is very poorly done, and I don't think that keeping the drop shadow was necessary. I am personally in favor of replacing it with the yellow model, as that was the first version to be revealed and is always the first in placement in advertisements. --Rman41 (talk) 06:57, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Rman41: I agree, I think we should replace it with one of the standard colors. Possibly this? There is a yellow one here though, however it has a background, and the Switch is turned on. GameTriangle (talk) 17:56, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@GameTriangle: If a yellow version of that image can be found, I would obviously prefer that, but if not, that cyan version is much much better. It would be much better. Rman41 (talk) 23:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rman41: On my last reply of this thread, I did show you a yellow one. This one, to be precise. I prefer the turquoise one however, since it doesn't have a background, and it is turned off. GameTriangle (talk) 23:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rman41: I went ahead and changed it. GameTriangle (talk) 01:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closure requested. Broad consensus to merge the article into Nintendo Switch. Charcoal feather (talk) 02:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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I suggest that do you think this page be merged to the main Nintendo Switch article? RMXY (talk) 12:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose There is an article for Nintendo DS Lite and New Nintendo 3DS amongst others. Merging this would imply a major change in the consensus for standalone video game console articles. Also zero rationale given for the merge. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

  Look at the Nintendo DS Lite page compared to the Nintendo DS. The History section has nothing about the development of the console outside releases and a LOT of extra noise on them. The hardware specs is unique, while everything after that would be easily merged into the main DS article. I am sure that same could be done with the New Nintendo 3DS and the Switch Lite page. Masem (t) 12:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

  Come on, that's about as blatant of a WP:OSE stance as it gets. Sergecross73 msg me 14:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

  It was meant to show that there is a consensus, not that simply because those pages exist means this one should too. But, ignoring that, I believe this console is a sufficiently different use case to merit a separate article. It is not the same as something like the OLED where it was simply a screen swap, the console got a complete redesign and reviews can potentially be significantly different due to this. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:05, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

  There was no "complete redesign", it is the same hardware just repacked into a different case. Its similar to the Slim models of the PlayStation, for example. Masem (t) 21:31, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

  Saying things like "complete redesign" is flat out incorrect too. What a ludicrous thing to argue. Sergecross73 msg me 00:22, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

  Calling other editors "ludicrous" is uncalled for. A GameSpot article literally says, "Nintendo went beyond a simple redesign". Polygon also calls the Switch Lite a redesign, saying "Nintendo’s redesign of the Switch for the Switch Lite was built with a focus on portability". Many sources back up the notion that the Lite is a full redesign of the console and not just an iteration of the normal Switch. Having demonstrated WP:RS proof of this, I would call it far from a totally "ludicrous" notion, despite the internal hardware being similar. Either way, I'd hope it can be debated while still remaining civil. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  Those aren't saying its a full redesign. The Switch Lite is to the Switch as the PS3 Slim is to the PS3 - nearly all the same internal hardware, just repackaged. That's the whole point here, that the specs between the Switch, the Switch Lite, and the OLED Switch are so minor that to treat the Switch Lite as a wholly separate unit doesn't make sense. Masem (t) 12:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  No one is saying "complete/full redesign" except you, even by your own evidence. If you don't like being called out on your arguments, don't be so hyperbolic with your wording in arguments like this. Sergecross73 msg me 18:06, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  Seriously, Sergecross73. The Switch lite may not be as different as u think. Same Screen, same Controlling style, you can go on forever. Besides, a majority of the people say to merge the pages. 101.98.217.129 (talk) 09:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  He's right, you know. The NS Lite is a handheld like the 3DS. But it's so similar, just a handheld 101.98.217.129 (talk) 09:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support At this point, this is akin to having a separate articles for the Xbox Series S and PlayStation 5 Digital Edition, which we don't. Many of the DS revisions should probably be merged as well, but that's a separate discussion. -- ferret (talk) 13:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support. I think that the DS Lite is probably worthwhile to be separate considering how significant a model it was, but Switch Lite is not nearly as extensive as this, nor did it have a similar impact that the DS Lite had (where the DS Lite was by far more popular than the DS). - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support per the usual WP:MERGEREASONs. It's highly redundant and largely the same things as a regular Nintendo Switch. Sergecross73 msg me 14:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I think that you should merge them,but also keep separate,more in-depth pages for both Pinkbear327 (talk) 11:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose and note that Pinkbear says to keep separate pages. It appears the OP, RapMonsta and Pinkbear are confused. Also not a lot of interest or input here, the status quo should continue.Exquisite2 (talk) 18:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
  • I am going to ping the VG project here, because I think the decision of what to do here will affect some of those other model pages. --Masem (t) 18:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

  No real rational given to opposing. Merge discussions don't always garner large numbers of participants, and there's nothing wrong with that. -- ferret (talk) 19:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose due to there's no point in consolidating. As already said the OP is confused, Pinkbear was or is as well. Someone is pinging a project page and more likely than not people involved in that project are either deletionists or in favor of most mergers. ferret, have you opposed mergers in the past?Exquisite2 (talk) 09:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

  I'm just saying we should recognise that they are separate consoles in their own rights,and we should recognise that,but we also should talk about them together to show that they are linked. Pinkbear327 (talk) 14:28, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

  Ferret did not reply. I will guess they support almost all mergers. This is not needed, consolidation is not a goal. Exquisite2 (talk) 03:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  There was no reason to reply. Attacking me is not a good look for you. It's clear you don't understand the policies and guidelines involved, we have processes for mergers because they very much are needed at times. This is one such time. -- ferret (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  What? You said that you support mergers on this page, referring to other pages. Exquisite2 (talk) 05:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  If you like, here is a key reason to not merge so often. People like to go to an article and read about specific items / products. What they like less is wading through long articles to find this topic. Exquisite2 (talk) 05:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  ... What are you talking about? I do support the merger of Switch and Switch Lite, and I gave a reason why, which has been supported by multiple others. You've yet to mention anything backed by policy or guideline other than WP:ILIKEIT. -- ferret (talk) 13:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

  Exquisite2 has been checkuser blocked, making this consensus even more lopsided. I think it's about time to call it... Sergecross73 msg me 18:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support. As a variant of the main device with heavy overlap in development and basic usage, this topic can be adequately covered in the parent article without any loss in fidelity. czar 01:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support this is nothing like the DS Lite, which had a significantly different form factor and a major cultural impact separate from the DS (and indeed made the DS "look cool"). Switch Lite's impact is muted and heavily tied to the still more popular main Switch model. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:25, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support. There's nothing here that can't be covered in the main Switch article. Would support merging Nintendo DS Lite with Nintendo DS for the same reason. JOEBRO⁶⁴ 13:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

  Merge proposal for Nintendo DS Lite just started. Gladstonefan (talk) 01:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  I've closed this as improper as part of blocking this editor for CIR and disruption. -- ferret (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The Lite is separate product to the Switch, aimed at different market to the Switch (with some crossover), under a different name, and sold concurrently to the Switch rather than replacing it. Considering that the convention seems to be Nintendo hardware variants like the New 2DS XL, the Gameboy Micro, and the New Style Super NES etc. have their own pages singling this one out for merging comes across to me as bordering on irrational. Spinrad (talk) 23:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

  That WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is what's in question here. Just because there's a new hardware SKU for a repackaged console does not mean it requires a separate page. It would make sense to review those other pages for merging in light of this. Masem (t) 00:05, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  Why doesn't it require a separate page? Spinrad (talk) 00:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  Why would it require one? Xbox Series X and Series S do not have separate pages. -- ferret (talk) 00:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  Masem made the point that WP:OTHER is in play here, so whether or not the Series S lacks it's own article doesn't really matter in this discussion imo. What I'm trying to understand (in a vacuum) is why does the Lite not warrant an article of it's own? Spinrad (talk) 01:29, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  Because for all intents and purposes, it is the exact same console, with the controllers permanently attached. -- ferret (talk) 01:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  Is it though? It has reduced functionality, is a different size with a different aesthetic design. It's clearly marketed as a separate product under a different name to the other Switch. It's for sure a part of the same product family/line but I'm not seeing any good reasons to consider it the exact same console. Spinrad (talk) 01:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  All of that argument applies to Series X vs Series S too. Reduced functionality/performance, different size and aesthetic, marketed as a separate product with a different name. But in both cases, play the exact same games, run the same firmware, etc. -- ferret (talk) 02:42, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  Two other admins have suggested that WP:OTHER should be considered when making arguments for/against merging so again I'm more interested in trying to get people to explain why the article's existence isn't justified on it's own merit. Spinrad (talk) 03:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  And I'm trying to get you to explain why its existence WOULD be justified. OSE is a bit misapplied here. OSE refers to "just because something else has an article, this one should too." That's not the argument I'm applying. I illustrating the exact similarities. There's nothing to say about the Lite that differs from the main version other than explaining it's fixed controller configuration, lowered performance, and a few other restrictions. This can all be handled in approximately 2-3 paragraphs tops. All other information about the Switch Lite is duplicative with the main version. Since the content can be covered in such a fashion, there's no reason not to merge it here, both for a more complete overall article and to reduce duplicated information at a spin out page. -- ferret (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  Except it isn't misapplied though? There's nothing to suggest it doesn't apply to the inverse ('This article shouldn't exist because these other articles don't). My belief that the article's existence is justified is based on the fact that it doesn't actually duplicate information from the Nintendo Switch article, and that the Switch Lite is a notable and separate product to the Switch. The remaining arguments I'm seeing all over the thread are just nonsense really: It keeps being stated that the article is largely duplicative of Nintendo Switch, but it isn't. "It hasn't had a major cultural impact (according to who?) unlike the DS Lite (again, according to who?). "Largely the same things as a regular Nintendo Switch". So? You could have most of Nintendo's handheld hardware on the same page following that logic. I'm sorry for being kind of abrasive but it really seems like people have made up their minds from the very beginning that they want the article merged, and are rampaging towards that goal using little to no critical thought in their arguments. Spinrad (talk) 00:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

  However, because most of the info about the Switch also applies to the Lite, and which is not repeated on the Lite page, this page is not really that comprehensive - arguing for a stand-alone just for stand-alone's sake. per WP:N, just because a topic is notable doesn't mean it needs a standalone article, and if we can form a better comprehensive article through a merge, that absolutely should be an option under consideration. Masem (t) 00:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

  The idea that a page is not comprehensive is WP:SURMOUNTABLE; merges should not be based on an article's current length. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support agreed because no development info and its lacks history also Nintendo DS Lite — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gladstonefan (talk • contribs) 01:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  It does have a history but its to short Gladstonefan (talk) 01:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

  I'm not striking this atm, but I've blocked this user for CIR / disruption. -- ferret (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

• Certainly, it can be said that there are many parts in common with Nintendo Switch. On the other hand, I think it would be easier to understand if the Nimtendo Switch lite is explained in detail in a separate article. That's why I oppose integration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidate47 (talk • contribs) 10:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

  Why? What parts would be hard to understand? It's a smaller Switch model that doesn't have detachable Joycon or TV hookups. There's nothing complex going on here. Sergecross73 msg me 15:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support merge. In practice (I own all Switch versions), the only real difference is that you can't hook up the Lite to the TV. Do we need separate articles for Coke cans and Coke bottles? No, because the content (what you consume) is identical, even if the packaging and handling differ. – sgeureka ^t•c 21:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support merge. It's the same exact platform as the Switch, only lacking the dock support and detachable controls. But having the exact same SoC and library of games, it's essentially what the Switch would be if it were solely a handheld in the vein of the PSVita. VinLAURiA (talk) 00:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support merge. I think it's better that the Nintendo Switch, Nintendo Switch Lite, and Nintendo Switch OLED model as one family, one system, three models. Four models if you consider the original Nintendo Switch has two models of its own. The Nintendo Switch is for your standard gamer, the Nintendo Switch Lite is for handheld-only gamers, and the OLED model is for gamers who want slightly beefier graphics. In reality, and in my opinion, they're all the same system. StrawWord298944 (talk) 09:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Personally for me (and probably for many others) it is easier to comprehend them as different models when deintegrated. Like mentioned earlier, even the normal Switch has two different models on its own, so is that remodel as big as the two others? It is also much easier to just search for Switch lite, than going into the basic Switch's article. I even would want Wii U premium to be separated from the basic, but that isn't relative to what this conversation is about.

In short, I do not see any point on merging these two or three(OLED included) models, becose there are differences between them and they are worth of noting. 2001:14BB:637:E756:D902:55E0:AB53:B1B (talk) 12:44, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

No one is saying there are no differences worth nothing but considering the differences are, it can’t be docked, and the joycons are permanently attached I can’t see any reason we need to have a separate article to cover that.--65.92.163.145 (talk) 16:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

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