Talk:Owen Coyle

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International status

Is there a source for the 'self identifing as Scottish' line? It sounds like something someone just put in as amunition for the 'debate' going on in the Burnley page as to wheather or not he should be listed as a Scottish or Irish. If sourcing is not provided very soon then it will be deleated. RicoRichmond (talk) 21:04, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coyle played one game for Ireland but he is Scotsman born and bred. Yes, he has Irish ancestry and that allowed him to play for Ireland, but is a Scotsman. BTW, I am Irish but do not believe in claiming English/Scots/Welsh football players to be Irish just because they played games for Ireland. Unless, like Mick McCarthy, they self-identify as being Irish then they should be regarded as being from the country they were born and bred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.141.42 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 23 September 2009

I understand what your saying, but that isn't common practice. I don't make the rules, what you seem to want to do is debade wiki policy, rather than one article. RicoRichmond (talk) 22:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need for an adjective to describe his nationality. FWIW I'm certain he's on the record as self-identifying Scottish. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If he identifies himself as Scottish why did he declare for Ireland? (Which btw is what you do when you choose to play for a country, you declare for that country.) If he were from a better footballing country declaring for a weaker one then you could claim he was simply cynically looking to play international football, but Ireland and Scotland are more or less on a par so that does not apply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.167.190 (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why he decided to play for Ireland. It could have been for a number of reasons, including lack of opportunities with Scotland, not getting on with the Scotland coach or FA, or maybe the Irish FA actively tried to persuade him to play for them. This is a good source for his self-identification as Scottish though. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah nice article where he calls him self Scottish the same way Andy Townsend always refers to himself as English , but regardless , I remember reading at the time articles in papers that I cant find on-line with him being proud to be in the squad and Looking forward to playing for his country . Maybe if it was more than 7 minutes it might help . @Larry Cordless the Irish FA never persued him , if you know your football you would know that the IFA are the association dealing with Nothern Ireland . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.41.102 (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC) "he has Irish ancestry and that allowed him to play for Ireland" , sorry to inform you , Ireland is not part of the UK , unlike Nothern Ireland , it requires you to take Irish citizenship to hold an Irish passport to play for Ireland , sorry to do this to you but that means he claimed Irish citizenship . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.245.221 (talk) 21:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A British citizen can claim dual British/Irish nationality. Quentin X (talk) 23:25, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A British citizen can not claim dual British/Irish nationality UNLESS they can prove A) they have an Irish parent , or B) have an Irish Grandparent that held Irish citizenship. A British citizen , unless thay satisfy the aforementioned, CAN NOT calim dual Irish/British citizenship . Also Quentin X stop deleting information that has links .

There is no proof that Coyle didn't do this. Plus, the front page of a book is not proof that he played for the U-21. Quentin X (talk) 08:34, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My point being if he did it he declared himself IRISH . The book is about under 21 Irish internationals , Owen Coyle is in the book because he is one , it is proof the same as any other printed material . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.210.131 (talk) 10:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The outside of a book is not cited material, plus there is no record of Coyle playing for the U-21's. Therefore...... Quentin X (talk) 10:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At the bottom of this page there is a link to wikipedia Ireland Under 21s , the original links on this page have been deleted probably by a person like yourself . Stop deleting "cited" material . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.210.131 (talk) 10:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So, a link that doesn't exist. Get some proof and cite it or leave it as Scottish, which most people agree on. Quentin X (talk) 10:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"also scored on my debut for the Republic of Ireland's under-21s when he was in the Scotland team as an over-age player . I always liked him and was happy to join him." Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Bolton-s-Owen-Coyle-wants-victory-over-former-manager-Birmingham-s-Alex-McLeish-in-the-FA-Cup-article712889.html#ixzz1WbUioyxI Do you want to add this in or will I do it after lunch ?? ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.210.131 (talk) 11:11, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See, not that hard was it? Take your time and enjoy your lunch. Don't want you to get heartburn. Quentin X (talk) 11:14, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If some people hadnt deleted the links that were on the article that varified the other info and taken it out of the info box it would be easier , but then some people do idiotic things . I could reset to that point . Also repharsed first line , let me know if your happy eith that instead of deleting stuff all the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.197.59 (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC) http://www.rsssf.com/tablesi/ier-u21-intres.html Coyles u21 caps would have 1986-1988 period , his only full cap 1994 . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.197.59 (talk) 17:47, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Happy with that. The book cover isn't good enough though, so I've taken it out. Quentin X (talk) 17:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC) Well its nearly £90 for the book and sod that if I'm going to buy it for one page , have a book some where about every international player from the sixties up (until 2000 i think), will find it and get more info . The first line is phrased well , I can see anyone compplaining about the way it is phrased . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.197.59 (talk) 17:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Outside Football

Removed due to speculation and lacking documentation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.162.204.233 (talk) 17:03, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've blanked the above snippet as it shouldn't be on this talk anyway, but thanks for removing it from the article in the first place. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Semi Protection

{{editsemiprotected}} I think in the part about bolton approaching Owen Coyle in January 2010 it should also say something like 'to replace the sacked Gary Megson'. Just a thought. Quiggers1P (talk) 17:38, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are already autoconfirmed, so you do not need to use this template. Feel free to be bold and fix it yourself. Intelligentsium 23:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to say that i think Owen Coyle has made a big mistake joining Bolton, he is a liar and has let down the Burnley Fans no end. He told the burnley fans that he was here to do a job and he promised he would follow it through, by leaving us you have stopped yourself from being a top manager in the future because when you have had a bad run for a while at bolton the bastards will be calling for your head aswell. if you would of stayed here you would have been a legend no matter what, we wouldnt of begrudged you moving on when you had completed the task you promised to us. thanks for everything because of you we are probably gonna go down and it is almost definately your fault!

Ashley O'Brien passionate burnley supporter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.73.233 (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can't let this go. Im not a Bolton or a Burnley supporter, although I really admire Burnley and I hope they stay up, even though that will make it difficult for my own club who are also in a relegation battle. But I think this is a bit harsh. The guy has a career, just like we do. And like everyone he has to do whats best for him and his family. Its business and its life. It could very well be that Bolton initially offered him a deal not good enough for him to move, hence his comments, then provided him with a deal too good to refuse. At the end of the day if Bunley do go down they will be in a far better position than if they had never gone up and will be a force next year in the Championship. The Coyle-era has been a grand era for Burnley FC. Only four years ago a Burnley supporter told me that he expected relegation within a few years back to Div 1. This is one season. I think in a few years you will See Coyle as being the manager who laid the foundation for future success. Brian Weekes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.87.80 (talk) 03:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

International Management Ambition

Couldn't add this to the site for obvious reasons (all the vandals logging on following Coyle's move to Bolton) but I would point out that Owen Coyle has on numerous occassions expressed a desire to have a stint at international management and has specifically identified Australia as a nation he would be interested in managing. (Fox Sports News Australia Interview). BW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.87.80 (talk) 03:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace

Coyle's birthplace has at various times been given in the article as either Glasgow or Paisley. It is currently stated as Glasgow with several references to back it up, generally originating from Coyle describing himself as "Gorbals [Glasgow] born and bred" in newspaper interviews. Statistical sources, however, usually list Paisley — this includes the Hugman website which is cited in the article for his full name, also the National Football Teams site as well as yearbooks from Coyle's playing days such as Rothmans and the Scottish League Review. I would tend to think we should go with these sources as they are based on third party records and presumably stem from Coyle's official playing registration, and not from the subject's own statements. Jellyman (talk) 12:13, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

When he says Gorbals born and bred, it could just mean that his family was living in Gorbals when he was born, but there is a chance he was actually born elsewhere for whatever reason (for example, I wasn't born in my hometown because it doesn't have a maternity hospital). If statistical sources use Paisley (as do his former and current employers) then I think we should probably go with that. Number 5 7 23:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was my thoughts too, the "born and bred" phrase could potentially just be an idiomatic use, which subsequent reports then take as literally true. I think the best solution would be to change it back to Paisley, while adding a footnote to mention Coyle's statements. Jellyman (talk) 11:29, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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