|WikiProject Mythology||(Rated Start-class, High-importance)|
- 1 What is this myth about?
- 2 Pop culture references
- 3 Hope is an evil?
- 4 Evils
- 5 Odd sentance
- 6 More information?
- 7 Where is pandora's box
- 8 Similar myths
- 9 Pandora's Jar?
- 10 Jar
- 11 File:Pandoraand her Box.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 12 problem with the "see also"
- 13 The Myth
- 14 this chapter has more info than its source
- 15 Surprised, no mention of analogy to Eden, Eve, and the serpent.
- 16 Rewrite 2018
What is this myth about?
- I think it's about a thought that you should always hope instead of be down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- And I think it's about the libido the female can suppress for many year, maybe even her entire life. But once opened, the libido will bring many evil. If there is no partner to satisfy her, she will very well die, or, live with hope. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 21:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- To the ancient greeks hope was the greatest evil in the box. The greeks believed in fate. Hope was a goad and a delusion that things might be better, that onecould escape their fate. It always turned to dust. Seeing hope as a good might be a nice christianized interpretation, but it has nothing to do with pandora's story. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 05:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
- Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? To the ancient Greeks, hope was the worst curse of all on mankind. It was left in the box/jar because while all the other evils attack us from the outside, hope destroys us from within. The modern interpretation, where in hope lies our salvation, is very wrong. Chernyshevsky (talk) 15:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
- I think its about the soul of a cursed manInsert non-formatted text here that you should always hope instead of be down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 12:53, 5 November 2009
This story makes no sense. All the other things escaped and now we have those in our world. OK, got that. But hope did not escape, so human beings should never have the feeling of hope, right? Wrong, apparently. Total BS mythological story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I was reading THE Myths and Legends OF ANCIENT GREECE AND ROME by E. M. BERENS and he said that instead of curses the jar contained the blessings reserved by the gods for mankind. Also that the jar was in the possesion of Epimetheus, instead of being given to pandora by the gods. Which makes more sense to me than the popular version of the story, where the gods create pandora then give her the box, then send her to Epimetheus...It just seems like a really roundabout way to punish mankind.18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Pop culture references
It's a bit much to have an article where the pop culture "references" take up more room than the actual explanation of the subject matter itself. Do we even need to mention that it's used again? Alastairward (talk) 12:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- hope escaped the box, but the "creature" left inside was the ability to predict death, thats what this page is missing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- The "In Popular Culture" section seems almost worthless. The total number of books, movies and video games to have a reference to Pandora or Pandora's box must be enormous. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
- I have removed it and placed the entries here. If one or two are interesting, they might be reintroduced again. However it does not make sense in an article about "Jesus" to ference all movies or video games that contain the word "Jesus" or in an article about "The Wheel" to have all vehicles mentioned that use th wheel nowadays ... We might think of creating an extra page "popular culture mentioning pandora's box" or so, which I however do not consider relevant for wikipedia.
- In the video game God of War and God of War 3, Pandora's Box is featured heavily as one of the main story points. In God of War, the box is said to contain all of the evils that were left over from the great war between the Olympians and the Titans. The gods feared the power that was in the box, so they commissioned a temple to be built and chained to the back of Cronus, as punishment by Zeus.
- In God of War 3, Kratos is hunting down the Olympians along with the Titans, who want revenge on the gods for their imprisonment in Tartarus. After falling back into the underworld, Kratos is sent to find the Flame of Olympus. Kratos eventually learns that Pandora's Box still exists. Protected by the Flame of Olympus, its contents are said to still be able to slay a god. Learning later that Pandora herself is the key and that only she can pacify the Flame of Olympus as she was born not by the gods, but by the Flame itself. After finding Pandora, Kratos returns to the box, there she sacrifices herself to dissolve the Flames. After opening the box Kratos find the box is now empty. Later Athena reveals that prior to the evils being locked in the box she placed a power inside to defeat the evils if they were to be released. The only power strong enough to defeat the evil is Hope.
- In the popular reality television show, Big Brother, Pandora's Box has been used to temp Houseguests saying it could unleash something good or something bad upon the opener of the box, their fellow players, or the house in general.
- In the 2008 videogame Legendary Pandora's box is opened, causing the mythical creatures contained in it to come out and destroy New York City.
- In the 1993 video game Zombies Ate My Neighbors, Pandora's Box is one of the items that the player can collect. When used, the golden chest opens and several powerful energy blasts fly around the screen like smart-bombs, targeting every visible enemy and destroying most, if not all, of them.
- In the final Percy Jackson novel, Pandora's Box is given to the main protagonist. He was told that as a sign that he surrendered, he should let Hope out of the box. It appears as yet another version wherein all good things abandoned humans (represented by the box), except for Hope, who stayed.
- In the eighteenth episode of the seventh season of the television drama Charmed, the sisters must rescue Pandora's Box from a demon who intends to unleash it's contents, said to be illnesses, diseases, sorrows and toils held within, and return the box to it's protector named hope.
- In the 2005 film The 40-Year-Old Virgin, David brings Andy a big box of pornography and calls it "Pandora's Box of Love."
- In the 2003 film Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life, Pandora's box is an artifact that releases a deadly plague when it is opened. The box is found in the Cradle of Life, a secret hiding place for the box near Kilimanjaro in Africa.
- Pandora's Box is referenced in a 1995 episode of the television series Xena: Warrior Princess entitled "Cradle of Hope".
- Professor Layton and Pandora's Box [Diabolical Box] USA - In the second game of the Professor Layton series Luke and Layton set out on finding Pandora's Box and finding out the curse behind it. Though in the end the Professor finds that the Box was laced with gas which when opened gives hallucinogenic side effects when exposed to.
- In the 5th series of the science-fiction television series Doctor Who, a large part of the main story arc is the "opening of the Pandorica," revealed in the penultimate episode of the series, The Pandorica Opens, to be a prison to contain the Doctor. The Doctor's companion throughout the series, Amy Pond, mentions that a book about the legend of Pandora's Box was her favourite book as a child: it later emerges that the Pandorica's surroundings (a Roman legion in the vicinity of Stonehenge) was an engineered scenario constructed from Amy's memories, ostensibly to draw the Doctor into the trap, and make his imprisonment in the Pandorica possible.
- In the Disney animated movie Hercules, Pandora's Box is mentioned by the antagonist Hades.
- A contestant from the second season of the reality television show RuPaul's Drag Race, Pandora Boxx placed 5th and won the title of Miss Congeniality. She also went on to become a professor on the Drag Race spin-off, RuPaul's Drag U —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) }
- In an episode of Futurama, the Professor gives Leela a box and tells her not to open it, but she does.
I wonder, Which version of the Pandora's Box from so many films and games that could be considered as "true" or "the real one"? --Shadowrend45, 18:53, October 25 2012 (UTC)
Hope is an evil?
The way I heard this she lets all of th evils out, one being Foreshadowing. with Foreshadowing we are doomed, so hope coming out saves us. so the way this is, says we are doomed. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 00:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- As I understand it, the greek word elpis (the remaining 'evil' in the box) means 'expectation' and can mean expectation of good or evil, I've always interpreted it as expectation of evil since the box contains evils, thus the remaining evil would be hopelessness, or the foreknowledge of all the evil that will befall mankind. On an unrelated note, the similarities between the pandora myth and the fall of man are curious enough to compel further inquiry.220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
The source cited for hope being evil doesn't even say that. When Pandora opened the box, those evils were set onto the world. if she didn't let hope out, we wouldn't have hope; it'd be trapped in a box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
I've often wondered if perhaps what was really meant was "despair" but it somehow got mistranslated into "hope". The myth makes sense if it was despair that wasn't released into the world. Is there any scholarship that supports this idea? SnappingTurtle (talk) 03:10, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
There is actually a subtle irony here. The story is often viewed as a kitchy 'Well at least something good came out' tale. Instead, hope can be viewed as malevolent, acting as more of a catalyst that enhances other evils, rather than the source of a specific strife. Hope prevents someone from accepting the permanent nature of a persistent 'evil', which would otherwise diminish it's affect; thus hope serves to prolong and intensify suffering rather than 'solve' it. Anyone who's ever tried to abandon hope and accept a defeat knows that hope has a way of coming back and sticking around-much like the object of the story. Ghostwo 01:36, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the previous account is the one that I always read. I can't find a source for it now, I will have a look when I get a chance, but what I read is that hope was the greatest of all the evils, since it "prolongs the suffering of men". JackStonePGD (talk) 04:56, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
What were the evils that were in the box? We have to do a project on Pandoras box for homework and i need at least 8 Evils. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- shouldnt you do it by ur self??????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 05:31, 24 July 2009
well they kinda were they were using the internet to find the 8 evils needed for the project i think it was pain, anger, greed, lust, envy, pride, sloth and and illness —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:28, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
"There is no reason to think Pandora acted out of malice in opening the jar, for she was exercising her curiosity, and when she saw what was let out of it, she quickly closed it."
Does anybody think she was acting out of malice? When we reference Pandora's box in conversation it is usually when talking about an incident that turned bad unexpectedly and cannot be undone, not something harmful done on purpose.184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Where is pandora's box
Some people say they never found pandora's box (experts). But most people say they have found pandora's box and have it and that they are now selling.But I believe that they themselves are just faking th box so the can have money for themselves. I love reading about greek mytholgy.So when I heard that people are claiming pandora's box I was kinda upset. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I have an idea where the box is located. It is a modern day box, located at the bottom of the gulf of Mexico. When you punch a hole in the bottom of the ocean, with no conceivable way of closing it, then you have opened up Pandora's Box, and assuredly, the only thing remaining is hope, and when hope escapes, if it ever chooses to, then disaster may be averted...contemplation results... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:35, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
- One example is Adam & Eve, where Eve's curiosity leads her to taste the fruit and then life goes downhill from there. I'd be interested in knowing the dates of the earliest references to these stories. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Specific dates are hard to establish since most Greek myths are based on oral traditions, but essentially all ancient Greek myths predate those in the bible, and in many cases are thought to be in inspiration for the stories in the bible. This is a conspicuous example. By the time the bible was written, the classical Greek period had passed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- It is a misnomer, a term which has become widely known and referenced in the English-speaking world. Which is in line with WP:AT. ќמшמφטтгמtorque 09:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
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problem with the "see also"
At the end of the article it says to see also the article for "Can of worms", however the link takes you to a disambiguation page with 4 entries, none of which explain the meaning of the phrase.188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Although there is a lot of fact and myth that info us of Pandora's Box, the truth is simple: We have no idea to be exact where this box could be. Yes, it contains the evils of the world, but those evils are already out and roaming free as of today. Mostly, if hope never did get out of the box, then why do we know of it?
Overall view of this page, we should, if possible, add a statement that sums up what exactly the meaning of the story behind Pandora and her box means. Good info, without a doubt, but the end of it should read: "Always keep hope alive even when it is locked away." At this point, day, and age: Pandora's Box may as well be: "Chaos is locked up and can never it open, for it means the end of all things." --Zhang Liao (talk) 14:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
No because the hope left in the pithos means that the human race did not give up hope as referance to percy jackson as Prometheus gave him the pitos and said if you let go of hope you will survive — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tilly bea (talk • contribs) 03:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
this chapter has more info than its source
- Pandora was given a wedding gift of a beautiful jar, with instructions to not open it under any circumstance. Impelled by her curiosity (given to her by the gods), Pandora opened it and all evil contained therein escaped and spread over the earth. She hastened to close the container, but the whole contents had escaped; Apate and all the others, except for one thing that lay at the bottom – the Spirit of Hope, named Elpis.
'Works and days' by Hesiod which it refers to says neither where Pandora got that jar (it might already belong to Prometheus or his brother) nor about any instructions 'not to open it', there should be some additional source.
Surprised, no mention of analogy to Eden, Eve, and the serpent.
title is everything except: surely some scholar at some point in history has stated noticing such an obvious parallel, no? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinsearach (talk • contribs) 18:15, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
The remark immediately above (and others in the past) came as a result of the imbalance in the article, which carried a lot of inessential detail about Pandora. There was also unnecessary repetition, both of information and of references, including no less than three to Works and Days. In addition, not sufficient attention was given to the idiom derived from the story. The revised version tries to remedy that situation and incorporates some relevant information from the long footnotes at the end. Sweetpool50 (talk) 20:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)