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The file File:Parvathy nair latest look from her recent photo-shoot by Miles Trevelyan-Johnson.jpg has an uncertain copyright status and may be deleted. You can comment on its removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhhossein (talk • contribs) 14:19, 19 August 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]

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This page is now protected from editing to stop the edit war that has been going on here. Just so everyone understands, there is no right and wrong in an edit war, anyone who partipates in edit warring is wrong. See WP:BRD. You need to discuss these issues here instead. Once the protection expires, any and all users who continue to edit war can be blocked to stop this disruption. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is simple: User:Calicutspecialist, who apparently maintains close contact with the subject, removes her minor film appearances from the filmography section, even though the section is supposed to display her "complete" filmography, not "select" films. Me and User:Editor 2050 (who is now on a break) keep opposing the edits, but Calicutspecialist remains adamant. Now Beeblebrox, who do you support? Kailash29792 (talk) 04:14, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I support you Kailash29792 and User:Editor 2050 as in filmography it should display "complete" films, filmography is not the place for adding her selected films.Josu4u (talk) 06:39, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:INVOLVED I am not here to take sides. My only support is supporting an end to edit warring. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:30, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

we mentioned all films in her career ...but when adding one scene movies in filmography it will be a reason to lose the focus of main important films ... I m sure if we add all one scene movies in every other actors filmography there will be many movies .... so its important to remove unnoticed one scene movies from filmography ... It will definitely help to improve Wikipedia.. thank you . --Calicutspecialist (talk) 03:03, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to change your theories, 'filmography' as the title indicates its the listing of all the films acted by that person, there's no differentiation b/w whether its minor or major. Otherwise the article will looks only for PR use. See Mohanlal filmography or Mammootty filmography. Even Cameo roles are noted there.Josu4u (talk) 03:48, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Beeblebrox, just to let you know that User:Calicutspecialist has started blind reverts again. Editor 2050 (talk) 15:50, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The subject basically does not want her minor film appearances to be listed in the filmography, believing they will affect her career by costing her roles. That is what she told me (I do not wish to maintain conflict of interest, but she somehow traced me; possibly through Abhinand), but I think her comments are pretty lame (most actors actually start out in minor roles, before blossoming into bigger stars). Editor 2050, please put an end to all this hungama in any way possible; I'm exhausted. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:14, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Parvatii Nair Filmography

As Kailash29792 (talk) said in (2016) Editor 2050 reached a consensus https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parvatii_Nair&type=revision&diff=841363210&oldid=839309134 .Almost all editors who is against now including let there be sunshine edited Parvatii Nair page without any trouble. but when a discussion started in Neerali about cast somebody re adding films as a statergy. can check out edits.

in a interview Parvati Nair itself said. there are films in wikipedia she is not acted. [1] 13.15 secs

I think old consensus was right https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Parvatii_Nair&oldid=822996041 (selected filmography)

movies like Dum she is not acted.Full version of the movie is there in online.

[2] [3]

--Sameershan (talk) 03:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sameershan: Regarding this edit – Filmography is the list of "complete films"; it's regardless of their role or importance. All sourced as well. BTW, there was no "old consensus".--Let There Be Sunshine 16:36, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dum movie removed. other actress named Parvati T was acted in the movie. Nimirndhu Nil and Janda Pai Kapiraju ( its teligu version ) were movies Parvatii nair had lead roles in , after about 2 days of shoot she had to discontinue the shoots for some reasons.thats the reason she has mention in the news articles.I believe its better to removed from her filmography thank you Sameershan (talk) 15:16, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Either you or Parvatii Nair (or both) are lying. Because, Nimirndhu Nil the full movie can be seen here. Nair can be spotted at 30:36 – 32:12, wearing a red top, character name is Indira; it's a minor role and her debut Tamil film. Similarly, in Janda Pai Kapiraju she can be spotted at 29:22 – 31:11 wearing the same dress, character name is Vandhana. Clearly, the subject don't want her minor appearances to be included in her filmography (same is discussed in the above discussion). Her words in this matter is not reliable. And clearly there is a conflict of interest in this article.--Let There Be Sunshine 18:41, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Parvatii nair said after about 2 days of shoot . may be they used those 2 days media. there is no lies here Sameershan (talk) 17:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

25 March 2018 to 17 July 2018 its already proved that there is a film called Dum in Parvatii Nair filmography that she is not acted.[4] And its really visible that there is some films in her filmography not properly referenced. So it is true that I contacted Parvatii Nair official Facebook account and after that her official email id. one senior editor advised me for the same. Parvatii Nair reply was Nimirndhu Nil and Janda Pai Kapiraju ( its teligu version ) were movies Parvatii nair had lead roles in , after about 2 days of shoot she had to discontinue the shoots for some reasons.. And she want to remove it. I believe COI in wikipedia is something that secretly doing.mine is not like that. I have already taken advise from others. Sameershan (talk) 14:15, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then it is indeed proven a lie. Because she is present in the film in minor role and female leads are Amala Paul and Ragini Dwivedi :D Which film in her filmography are you talking about "not properly referenced" ? COI is not based on whether it's covertly done or not. --Let There Be Sunshine 12:49, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't maintaining COI with the actress, after hearing her interview saying there are films in wikipedia she is not acted. I contacted her and asked about filmography. and she was right we removed one movie named Dum. If it is against wikipedia policy am sorry. Anyway our discussion is about her filmography now. we have to focus more in that I guess.In my opinion filmography need to include only noted appearances. Sameershan (talk) 17:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such convention here. Anyone is free to add any films the subject had worked.--Let There Be Sunshine 06:55, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the same. Nimirndhu Nil and Janda Pai Kapiraju ( its teligu version ) same movie in different language. its not notable appearance. when we adding both of this films in filmography.it will effect the subject. because if someone wanted to know about the subject we are giving these unnoted appearances as highlight.it will surely make unnecessary confusions.so I support removing these films and other unnoted appearances too.I really wanted opinion from other editors thank you Sameershan (talk) 14:00, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So that's your personal preference. All filmography tables in Wikipedia contains minor, cameo, voice roles etc. What problem does this filmography/actor have where thousands of others don't have ? And "hiding" the minor roles clearly tends to PROMOTE the subject.--Let There Be Sunshine 07:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Never, Its not possible to include all minor appearances to actors filmography.Because if a actor doing minor appearances can act many movies.like a daily job.Their movies surely huge in no's.they won't even have a wikipedia page.If they have a page we cannot add all of the films to their filmography.we can only consider their notable appearance and news coverage showing their importance.not only actors another famous people example Indian president may do many actions and programs daily.that might have news coverages too.can we add everything in his wikipedia page? no.we have to consider the importance and notability there. Sameershan (talk) 12:18, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Parvatii has only 20 films (or more); very much possible.--Let There Be Sunshine 17:48, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My point is notability and importance is the criteria while adding films to actors filmography.We are not discussing about possibilities of adding not important appearances to Parvatii nair filmography.We are discussing about wikipedia policies about adding information to the subject. Sameershan (talk) 05:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Then why are you discussing it in Talk:Parvatii Nair ? If you don't know, notability is NOT the criteria for adding films in Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia. Anyone is free to add any films the subject had worked. That's how all filmographies are written, Category:Actor filmographies.--Let There Be Sunshine 07:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTEVERYTHING by reading this policies I am sure notability is a criteria while adding not important appearances to parvatii nair filmography. WP:NOTWHOSWHO Parvatii nair is not important in Nimirndhu Nil and Janda Pai Kapiraju. so I believe its removable.Sameershan (talk) 08:19, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Both those policies does not support your claim. Where does it endorses that notability is the "criteria while adding not important films" ? Both MOS:FILMOGRAPHY and WP:FILMOGRAPHY does not mention anything about notability, neither is any filmography written that way.--Let There Be Sunshine 08:48, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:FILMOGRAPHY and WP:FILMOGRAPHY coming under English Wikipedia policy. So WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:NOTWHOSWHO applicable there.MOS:FILMOGRAPHY more about styling and structure. WP:FILMOGRAPHY is part of WP:FILMBIO. It starts with (For the notability guideline on entertainers, see Wikipedia:Notability (people) § Entertainers) . If we go there WP:LISTBIO its written Inclusion in lists contained within articles should be determined by WP:Source list, in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines.by this we can understand notability and importance is a criteria there.still saying notability and importance is not a criteria? Sameershan (talk) 10:04, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First I thought you were wikilawyering, now I get that you have wrong understanding about Wiki policies. WP:NBIO is the notability guideline for creating articles about people, within it WP:ENTERTAINER is about creating articles about entertainers, and WP:LISTBIO is about list of people NOT films. These policies has nothing to do with films or film lists. Policies for filmography are MOS:FILMOGRAPHY and WP:FILMOGRAPHY, which mentions nothing about notability. You still haven't explained how WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:NOTWHOSWHO supports your claim of notability is the "criteria while adding not important films".--Let There Be Sunshine 10:45, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NBIO If it is for creating article.It has mentions about what should include in the articles. I am telling again if my point is not clear MOS:FILMOGRAPHY and WP:FILMOGRAPHY coming under English Wikipedia policy. So wikipedia guidelines has applicable there. are you trying to make a point MOS:FILMOGRAPHY and WP:FILMOGRAPHY outside of wikipedia?. Sameershan (talk) 12:31, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not clear what you are saying. Those policies are not application here, nor supports your claim. Since you are not listening a thing, you seriously need to ask some advice from another editor. BTW, you still haven't justified your claim.--Let There Be Sunshine 12:51, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

my claim is notability/importance is a criteria while adding film appearances to actors filmography(unnoted/minor roles no need to add).I believe these policies justifying my claims. welcoming another editors for opinions Sameershan (talk) 13:09, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since you are not understanding, it's best you wait for a third person's opinion to clear your doubts.--Let There Be Sunshine 14:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

--Let There Be Sunshine what is your full justification for adding all these movies in this Bio. Why is the list an exhaustive list of ALL movies. And why should it not contain only the notable movies/rules per WP:NOTADIRECTORY ? Sameershan (talk) 14:45, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed wikilawyering. Per WP:NOTDIRECTORY, Wikipedia is not a directory of everything in the universe that exists or has existed, it's not a 1) Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics 2) Genealogical entries 3) The White or Yellow Pages 4) Directories, directory entries, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business 5) Sales catalogues 6) Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations 7) Simple listings. Read that in full. Where does it says anything about list of works ? Filmography is not such any list or like anything mentioned there. This is what happens when you act on someone else's instruction, you have no idea what you are talking. Now YOU start explaining your full justification for removing all minor roles. Why is this list need to be partial when rest of the others are not. What's so special about this filmography ? You are the one here making an odd claim, so you have the burden to explain.--Let There Be Sunshine 15:24, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Let There Be Sunshine asked me to weigh in here. This is a very weird discussion, frankly, since in most cases we're not too choosy about roles to include in a filmography. From what I understand, the discussion is chiefly about Nimirndhu Nil (and Janda Pai Kapiraju, a Telugu dub or simultaneous shoot of the same film). The dispute appears to be that because Parvatii Nair has objected to the inclusion of this minor role in her filmography, we're somehow obligated to remove it? Is that correct? Because that's not rational. If Nair had a Tamil debut in Enkitta Mothatheas, that's significant from an academic perspective, as any cross-over into another language might be, and that detail would probably be included somewhere--either in prose or in the filmography, or in both. That it wasn't a big role shouldn't be a considering factor. Now, I don't know what the emotional aspect of this argument is. Her debut in Tamil films was minor and now we want to rewrite history? That doesn't seem like the right thing to do from an academic perspective. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Following up on an email I received from Sameershan, I'm still not convinced the information should be omitted. The gist of the email was that the subject had a beef with the production and quit after two days. Regardless of the details, if the subject acted in the film, and can still be seen in it, (i.e. the role wasn't cut) then it is totally legit to include that. I've looked at the video, and I see her delivering about 7 lines of dialogue. That's fairly beefy for somebody's debut in a major film. "I had a bad time on set" is not a valid justification to remove the content, particularly when it is bolstered by this mainstream reference that expressly mentions the role. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:58, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

'Comment: - concur with Let There Be Sunshine and Cyphoidbomb. The filmography section should include all roles in all films supported by reliable sources. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:NPOV pretty much requires we should include everything. We've seen this before in other articles (especially with someone that was in a couple of adult films) and it's always been to include everything backed by sources. Ravensfire (talk) 23:39, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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