Talk:Pat Hurst

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. --KenWalker | Talk 19:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Pat Hurst (born May 23, 1969 in San Leandro, California) is an American golfer of mixed American and Japanese ancestry.

As an American of Japanese ancestry, I am a little offended by the meaning behind "mixed American and Japanese ancestry." Is the writer using the word "American" to mean Caucasian?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but an American can be of any race or ancestry, not just Caucasian.

As I don't know what Pat Hurst's ancestry is, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Pat Hurst is of Caucasian/Japanese ancestry, then the word Caucasian should replace the word American.

--Goochi 09:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

i don't know anything about Hurst's family story, but the way it read, I am going to assume good faith and assume that Hurst's ancestry is "American" on father's side and that her mother was not only ethnically Japanese but was/is Japanese in nationality. --Nlu (talk) 16:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you're missing my point here. You said "...Hurst's ancestry is "American" on father's side..."

When you say "American" on father's side," are you saying her father is white? If so, again, "American" can be of any race, so it would not be the correct word to use. If you said German, or English on father's side, that would be different. "American" on father's side" simply means that her father was born in the United States, which means he could be African, Chinese, Indian, Hawaiian, Mexican, or any of the hundreds of different ethnic groups in the world.

I have noticed that more commonly in Asian immigrant groups, they will use the word "American" to refer to a white person. I then point out to them that I am an American, but I am not white.

Can we please stop using the word "American" in place of Caucasian?

-- 08:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Would "mixed American and Japenese heritage" or "nationality" be better? The point is about nationality, not race. Caucasian is a race. American is a nationality. Her mother is Japanese born. Her father American. To replace "American" with "Caucasian" mixes the concepts of race and nationality. No one has stated what race her father is. He could be caucasion, or some other race, but still American. Crunch 01:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

To answer your question, not really. I don't think the point was about nationality, otherwise, the writer would have simply stated that Pat Hurst is an American golfer. She/he was not talking about her parents' nationality or ancestry, she/he was referring to Pat's.

If the statement was "Pat Hurst (born May 23, 1969 in San Leandro, California) is an American golfer of mixed European and Japanese ancestry", then that would be consistent using the term "ancestry." Looking back to my earlier statement saying the word Caucasian should replace American was incorrect, as Caucasian (as you said), is a race, it is not an ancestry.

I, myself, would like to hear from the original writer as to what he or she was trying to say.

-- 07:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I am the original writer. What I was trying to say, very simply, was that her father is an American. Born and raised in America. And her mother is Japenese, born and raised in Japan. Hurst considers herself half Japanese and has stated this. I do not know the race of her father, only the nationality. I thought this was significant because many golf fans see Pat and question what her background (nationality and/or ethnicity is). This is particularly of interest now because so many LPGA golfers are Korean and people wonder if she is Korean, which would make her one of the oldest and pioneering Korean golfers on tour. So it's significant in understanding the history of the LPGA to understand that she's an American with this ancestry. I apologize for forgetting to add the statement that she is also an American golfer. I didn't do that intentionally. I just forgot to put it in. It's there now. I figured the born and raised in California part kind of covered that, but apparently not. Part of working on Wikipedia is that it's collaborative. If one editor leaves something out, other people should come along and add things in, rather than guessing or, worse, accusing, the first, editor, or subversive intentions. Instead of discussing here what the first editor (me) meant, just change it yourself!! And, while you're at it, please register on Wikipedia. You'll be taken more seriously by other editors if you do. Crunch 13:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. It reads much better now. I apologize if you felt like I was accusing you of somthing intentional; I was not. As an American of Japanese ancestry, I have been asked innocent questions like "what country are you from?", "do you speak Japanese", etc., just because of the way I look. In other words, if I was Caucasian, I would not be asked those questions. My intent here is to just make people think about what an American is, and to not use it as a synonym for Caucasian. I understand now that you were not using it in that way as some people do.

What brought me to Wikipedia was a search for Pat's ancestry, as I myself wondered if she was of Japanese ancestry. Thank you for including that, as I did not find it mentioned anywhere else. I did not feel comfortable changing your statement, as I did not know her exact ancestry. If I do find out where her father's ancestors are from, I may just do that.

Again, thank you for the clarification. It is much appreciated. --Goochi 15:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for coming back, Goochi. No offense taken now. And I understand where you're coming from. I'm glad you found the information useful. I've contributed a lot to the articles on LPGA golfers and it's great that people find it useful, but occassionally mistakes are made and Wikipedia's collaborative process makes it possible for pepole to work together. Please do add addtional details or change things as you find them. You may have seen that a few days ago I added all the details on her LPGA wins and results in major tournaments. Crunch 19:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Crunch. Yes, and I did notice your additions, which are great, because she deserves the recognition. She's a great player, and it's nice that you're sharing that with others.

--Goochi 07:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

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