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Spoilers

Too many spoilers here, before the "Episode Summaries". For instance in the "cast description" section. Tommy Shelby has an OBE, there was no need to give that away, he's introduced in series one as a having a KGM, even that's too much; decorated would have done. Then next are Polly's children, in a breath two series of plot are given away. A summary of her character was all that was required here. I'm scared to read the rest of this article. The projects goal is to enhance the topic, not blow away the plot right from the start. A quick scan suggests to me there is little or nothing here about the many liberties the programme has taken with history. OK it's a fine line to draw between information and spoilers, but I thought the spirit of the Wiki policy is not give plot away until the Episode summaries. --BeckenhamBear (talk) 15:30, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed on this point -- I know the Wikipedia policy is not to delete information solely because it is a spoiler (see: Wikipedia:Spoiler). That said, it seems like in the character description section, characters ought to be described in a way that gives away information carefully so that readers can be selective with what they read. One format would be to describe them as they are when first introduced, and then add "later in the show, XYZ happens" etc. etc. HaiyaTheWin IS The Win! 07:16, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sections 'Background' and 'story arc' perhaps? 89.197.114.132 (talk) 16:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of episodes page?

The episode list is now getting rather extensive, and with a new series on the horizon, would it be best to create a new List of Peaky Blinders episodes page separate? TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 17:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anybody? TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 15:14, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i agree. Especially, since the episode tables also include plot summaries, which makes them even longer. Radiphus (talk) 17:35, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this should be created now. TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Soundtrack?

I think it's remarkable that the influnce and important of the Nick Cave songs and related (his ex PJ Harvey is often in thew show or her songs have been covered), have been overlooked in this article. The producers even brought in Red Right Hand to season 2 as a plot device.

Meaning of the name

What is a ‘peaky blinder’?? 2A00:23C5:E0A0:8300:E55F:47AE:B711:59A (talk) 21:21, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See Peaky Blinders Andy Dingley (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LOL—I thought "Peaky Blinders Andy Dingley" was a single topic. I trust you're less stingy w/punctuation when actually editing. 😉 – AndyFielding (talk) 00:32, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Character articles

Do we think now is the time to create Wikipedia articles for some of the main characters? The series is very well established and the major characters have rich back stories. I might start a Thomas Shelby one unless someone thinks it's a bad idea? Cls14 (talk) 08:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to create an article about Thomas Shelby but was busy and could not reference it immediately. Some self-important admin deleted it after less than 12 hours. Having been treated like this by some sad Wiki fascist there won't be any Thomas Shelby article from me. Cls14 (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you should try writing better articles that are well-sourced and provide context for the readers, or try using your sandbox or the draft namespace, instead of complaining like a 12-year-old. Looking at the articles you have created (God, they are many!), i can see that you have left many of them in a miserable state, until other editors came along to improve some of them. You are not contributing constructively and nobody needs you. Radiphus (talk) 11:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, you do make me laugh! Read this you sad case, it's you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_is_Wikipedia_losing_contributors_-_Thinking_about_remedies#Examples_of_problems Cls14 (talk) 22:28, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We should probably have a List of characters article first. As always, sourcing is the problem. Much of the interest in a characters list would be about the groupings and the relationships between the groups, not just the individuals - especially for those who haven't watched the whole series repeatedly. What's the difference between the Birmingham and Black Country groups? The various Gypsy, Irish and Roma groups. If "his grandfather was a gypsy king", what does that really mean? Also, who were the real Billy Kimber and Sabini? Was Alfie Solomons real? Andy Dingley (talk) 11:36, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's a good idea! Cls14 (talk) 22:28, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one who redirected the article. It was unsourced and incredibly brief and incomplete. Unsourced character articles have never been acceptable, this is not some recent change that is driving away editors. If you don’t have the time to write/source an article, create a WP:DRAFT. If you want collaboration, alert talk pages of the draft and ask for input. But continuing to create unsourced articles is not a viable option moving forward. That needs to stop. Sergecross73 msg me 00:35, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What relationship should there be with [1] - to avoid duplication/excessive-for-WP detail etc? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:37, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Main Characters

Created a much easier to digest Characters section, with accurate information regarding who is and isn't considered a main character. Due to how they've chosen main cast on an episode-by-episode basis, I've listed them in descending order of appearances. Usually they are sorted by first appearance, so Creed-Miles would be listed much higher than he is at the moment, even though he only appeared in four episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.56.189 (talk) 20:32, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Very good. But there was no such person as "Lady Diana Mitford".2001:8A0:7FE2:B100:F804:A35E:3911:F75F (talk) 13:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Netflix

I think it should be mentioned that it airs on Netflix in the US in the initial column. I can't personally add it back, even with a citation because if I do the editor who reverted it will report me for edit warring. I believe if others agree with me and someone else adds it he won't remove it. Thank you. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 16:43, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm all for clarity too—but this particular case doesn't seem too dire [my emphasis]:

It premiered on 12 September 2013, telecast on BBC Two until the fourth series, then moved to BBC One for the fifth and upcoming sixth series.

[paragraph break]

The fifth series premiered on BBC One on 25 August 2019 and finished on 22 September 2019. Netflix, under a deal with Weinstein Company and Endemol, acquired the rights to release the show in the United States and around the world...

As "Netflix" is a link, it seems noticeable enough, IMHO.

And BTW, why do you think the English insist on using "series" for both a series (show) itself and its individual seasons, when a perfectly good unambiguous second term is already widely used and understood? Doesn't that cause no end of confusion? No one would blame them for not having thought of it first, if that's what worries them. – AndyFielding (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't, because the English can handle the different meanings due to context. (e.g. "Peaky Blinders is a British gangster drama television series" vs "The first series concluded on 3 December 1919"). Is that something Americans find hard? 148.197.45.109 (talk) 15:13, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Real Life origins ?

The German-language Wikipedia pages hints towards some Real Life origibns of the gangster group - a thing which is completely missing in the English-language article, to my astonishment. According to that, there seems to have existed a gangster group of the same name in Real Life, and another group called "Brummagem Boys" around one "William 'Billy' Kimber", which possibly served as inspiration for the series. I'm quite astonished that no-one wrote about the historical background yet.2001:4DD7:5645:0:C123:9D0E:110C:F52A (talk) 16:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry—you're using "Real Life" as a proper noun? Is it the name of a gang or something? – AndyFielding (talk) 00:45, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'Real Life/Real People' is used in various fanfic etc contexts - see the category on AO3.

Note for those unfamiliar with the term - 'Brummagem' is an adjective for Birmingham. Jackiespeel (talk) 12:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Episode numbers

Is it normal for this series to write episode numbers in this fashion e.g. episode #1.5?-- Carnby (talk) 08:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Depiction of Jessie Eden

Do we really need four paragraphs discussing this? While I'm sure everything said is accurate and the portrayal in the show is completely inaccurate, this television show isn't exactly known for its historical accuracy. It's wildly fictionalized. For example, the actual street gang the show is named after was nothing like what we see in the show, last I checked it was a gang run by children. So for me personally, dedicating this much space to discussing why a fictional show is fictional strikes me as a bit odd, and rather off topic. I don't think Peaky Blinders ever advertised itself as anything other than a fictional drama. If this were a documentary, yes, this section would be very relevant. But it's not a documentary, it's a fictional drama loosely inspired by history that takes great liberties. Binglederry (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]