Talk:Per Mertesacker

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Height[edit]

Please see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]

For German speakers, please see: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]

6'6" for his height websites are on the less side. Regards! Karl Prall (talk) 22:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

All this "sources" are secondary sources, his own website is a primary source. AFAIR both Hannover 96 and Werder Bremen had/have his correct height of 1.98 m --Denniss (talk) 06:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Mertesacker[edit]

I was bold and changed the pronunciation from ˈmɛʁtəzakɐ to ˈmɛʁtəsʔakɐ. None of my German pronunciation dictionaries has this name, but the correct syllabification seems to be Mertes-Acker, and I've heard it pronounced accordingly on German TV. --Iceager (talk) 23:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I am a quasi-native speaker of German who knows a good many fully native speakers as well, and I can honestly say that I don't think I have ever heard it pronounced as such. Single 's' is pretty much always pronounced as /z/ between vowels, and glottal stops are generally only used between vowels (e.g. "geendet" –> ge-endet). ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 09:39, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
The word-internal glottal stop would be pronounced in careful pronunciation and may well be elided in casual speech. The Deutsches Aussprachewörterbuch (ed. Eva Krech et al) indicates it with a superscript ʔ. Wikipedia's guidelines were not explicit about this, but in the German Wiktionary I found for example Bundesautobahn transcribed as /bʊndəsˈʔaʊ̯toˑˌbaːn/ (which by the way illustrates that an 's' between vowels is unvoiced when it is treated as a syllable coda), so I went with a simple ʔ in /ˈmɛʁtəsʔakɐ/.
You may not have heard it pronounced as such, but I assure you I certainly have. I'll look up video examples and such if you want me to. --Iceager (talk) 16:01, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Now that I've had time to do more research, I can say that the pronunciation with /z/ is at least quite widespread. The pronunciation with /s/ does exist, as can be seen here, and there are some people who insist on this pronunciation, but even Mertesacker himself seems to use /z/ (can't find an online link, though). I still think Mertes-Acker is the etymologically correct syllabification, but I think it may be unrealistic to insist on the pronunciation I put before. I would welcome more input from German native speakers who know the name. --Iceager (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a native speaker and here's what I can tell you: IMO, Mertes-Acker is indeed the correct syllabification but it is nonetheless pronounced as ˈmɛʁtəzakɐ. The presenter in that youtube video is just overstressing the syllables (pretty much like you wrote here).
Conclusion: /z/ is certainly more common (but that doesn't mean that /s/ is wrong). However, please note that I'm not a linguist. :-) --Berntie (talk) 00:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

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