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Different types of people
Does this technique work for daydreamers, for people with ADHS? To me it seems it assumes that we humans are all robots who can work fully concentrated on one thing, same time span each day. Is there any information on how individuals "react" to this technique? Are there alternatives or tips for people who can't concentrate easily? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 12:24, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
- https://www.google.com/search?q=adhd+%22pomodoro+technique%22 Talk to SageGreenRider 12:59, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
I learnt the very simple study technique of 20 mins work, 10 mins break in the 1970s when I was a schoolboy. The study guide I got that from - or was it word of mouth from a teacher? - was probably written in the 1960s. I'm boggled that someone should make a whole career, book, promotional opportunity, and product out of something as simple as that. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Even more baffling to some of us is the fact that someone may find it practical to split concentration into such small periods. How can one expect to perform complicated tasks, needing hours of continuous focus, while emptying the mind every 25 minutes? Take for instance any relevant scientific problem, mathematical, physical or otherwise. As a mathematician I can think of very little that can be actually accomplished with such a method. Quite on the contrary long trains of thought couldn't take place, concentration would dwindle and performance probably drop to a minimum. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- Have you timed how long you concentrate on trains of thought? Certain people may have the ability to focus for hours at a time on extremely complex tasks, but most of us have neither the mental discipline nor the willpower. As far as I understand it, the Pomodoro technique, and similar systems, are simply a formalized method of obtaining agreements with oneself to take short breaks in exchange for work. In fact, I invented a 15-minute method for myself, for the same reason: I procrastinate. -- BlueNight (talk) 19:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- Read the book, commit to the learnings for 7 days. Then decide wether or not it is something new. Learning comes from awareness and knowledge, not from ignorance. Giving it a go and deciding that there is nothing there, you haven't lost time, you now have an informed decision. The book contains great counters to both your arguments, and this technique is used by many creative and mathematical people. Balupton (talk) 03:14, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Ideal for programmers
Maybe the Pomodoro Technique is not optimal for everyone and every task. It is commonly used by programmers in the software development environment. You get a good productivity and you get the necessary resting time. If you do not "clean" your mind every 25 mins, you will have a good headache when you finish working. It is also an old studying technique that allow you to concentrate.
Programmers enjoy making their tools, I have found several Pomodoro Technique applications to install as a plugin for your internet browser and applications for smartphones like Android. The last one I have found is a "Pomodoro Soup" that works as the traditional kitchen timer.
hello I changed it to what that guy above said^^^^ because of the same reason he talked about, I was going to leave a note about that here so they don't change it back again but he did already so I'm leaving this thing under this topic. by the way the style guide probably says this isn't how you do replies on talk pages but at least I'm signing it unlike that guy above me^^^^ 22.214.171.124 (talk) 23:29, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I have no idea how to do replies either, but I remembered making this comment back then and just came back to check if it's still here. I should have signed it! I know I'm not even a registered user and my IP isn't even static so it has probably changed, but I'll sign that comment retroactively now. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:13, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
List of software
There is a list of various applications implementing the technique, preserved as a draft here. Someone may be interested in cleaning up the list and adding it as a section here. Diego (talk) 11:32, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- The sections needs some sort of inclusion criteria. How about we only list those with independent and reliable sources (as well as those that are notable themselves or from notable companies, which currently none fit)?
- The external links to the websites and stores should be removed from the two tables. --Ronz (talk) 16:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- That sounds OK. Diego (talk) 17:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
- I've cut the entire list. There might be one or two stand-out apps that a lot of sources have talked about, but I can't see any evidence of this - this was just a mostly unsourced WP:LINKFARM with a few unremarkable Lifehacker blog reviews here and there. --McGeddon (talk) 12:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- That sounds OK. Diego (talk) 17:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Requested move 5 July 2015
Requested move 18 October 2015
"Pomodoro Technique" or "Pomodoro technique"?
- Did you review the thread immediately above this one? DonIago (talk) 18:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- I was initially partial to the change, but on reflection the current version seems correct. For example we say the "Toyota Way," not "the Toyota way," to refer to Toyota's philosophy. The "Toyota way" would be a vague reference to the way Toyota does things. We would reasonably say the "Apple Philosophy" as a thing reflecting Steve Jobs etc's approach and mindset around design and user experience, whereas the "Apple philosophy" would be Apple's philosophy. The "HP Way" was a thing. Along these lines, the "Pomodoro technique" reads as "the tomato technique," a kind of technique, as opposed to the specific named thing, the "Tomato Technique." So, I am for stick with the current capitalisation. But I am no grammar expert, there may be grammar rules that govern this kind of thing. :) Now to stop procrastinating and start doing some Pomodoro Technique :) Lauchlanmack (talk) 06:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Neutrality & Proof
This article certainly is notable. However, I am concerned it is written in a manner that is promotional and biased in favour of the idea that this technique actually works, seeing as the article makes heavy usage of primary sources that are directly related to the commercialization of the technique, and to secondary sources that make direct reference to the relevant primary sources.
Is there any evidence that this technique works? If so, would it be appropriate to attach a WP:POV/neutrality disputed for the problem of primary sources, and also note in the article that there is no proof that it is more effective than other techniques in any double blind study in the case of credibility? It seems like a bit of a placebo to me.
I am unable to find any scientific evidence demonstrating that this is actually credible and I think that should be noted. I would welcome any further research that demonstrates this technique to actually be effective or otherwise work. Elyeri (talk) 06:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what content you are specifically concerned about, but the sentence in the lede was not verified by the sources and might be considered a health claim falling under WP:MEDRS. I've removed it.  --Ronz (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- I am not aware of any scientific research evidence on the Pomodoro Technique (there may be some, I haven't looked). But there is certainly anecdotal evidence, e.g. https://www.themuse.com/advice/take-it-from-someone-who-hates-productivity-hacksthe-pomodoro-technique-actually-works Lauchlanmack (talk) 01:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
Article lacks critical discussion - criticisms and context
I know there have been criticisms of the Pomodoro Technique.
Also, there are alternative productivity techniques available.
It would be good for the article to summarise the criticisms as well as the proof / benefits, and to list alternative productivity techniques (and, if verifiable, why this one is better or worse, and who it's better or worse for). :) Lauchlanmack (talk) 06:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
e.g. here are a couple of alternatives and variations:
"Overlearning"? Lacks citation / evidence ...
The section on the Pomodoro Technique says:
- "After task completion, any time remaining in the Pomodoro is devoted to overlearning."
I don't see any evidence to support that.
It's one option for what to do with the time.
Others could include:
- Finish the pomodoro time block early
- Review and edit the work you just completed
- Complete some admin / paper shuffling type tasks that don't require concentration
- Review the list of upcoming tasks for the next planned pomodoro time blocks, and update the list and start reflecting on those tasks.
I suggest that unless someone sees evidence for "overlearning" in any available remaining pomodoro time, this line about overlearning just get deleted.
If there are no further comments on this by the next time I see this page after today, I'll go ahead and delete it myself. :) And I may possibly add the options above as *suggestions* (not rules) for what to do with the remaining time in a pomodoro block.
I just read Cirillo's book, and he does indeed suggest overlearning as one possible use for leftover time - to review and make improvements. The previous version did not give a citation or quotation though, so would have been objectionable anyway due to that. Here is what Cirillo did say. I didn't check the exact page number as I read it on Kindle, Kindle told me it was p. 35 though:
- "Specific cases should be handled with common sense: If you finish a task while the Pomodoro is still ticking, the following rule applies: If a Pomodoro begins, it has to ring. It’s a good idea to take advantage of the opportunity for overlearning, using the remaining portion of the Pomodoro to review or repeat what you’ve done, make small improvements, and note what you’ve learned until the Pomodoro rings." The Pomodoro Technique: The Acclaimed Time-Management System That Has Transformed How We Work by Francesco Cirrilo, p. 35. Lauchlanmack (talk) 14:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Relation to software development?
In the lead at the top of the article it says:
- "Closely related to concepts such as timeboxing and iterative and incremental development used in software design, the method has been adopted in pair programming contexts."
I get its relation to timeboxing. But iterative development in software design seems like more of a stretch. Pair programming even more so.
In any case I don't think it's relationship to software design techniques belongs in the lead. I suggest delete it, or move it into a new section in the body called something like "The Pomodoro Technique and software development methodologies."
The technique inventor's website and book ...
As the article says, the technique was invented by one specific guy.
He has a website at https://francescocirillo.com/pages/pomodoro-technique
The website does have commercial programs.
But since he invented the technique, I think it's fair to mention it in the external links section ...
He also has a book on the Pomodoro Technique, that could be mentioned along with other productivity books and systems (e.g. GTD, 7 habits, atomic habits, sparking joy, the one thing, etc) - https://www.amazon.com/Pomodoro-Technique-Francesco-Cirillo/dp/3981567900 or https://www.amazon.com/Pomodoro-Technique-Life-Changing-Time-Management-System/dp/0753548380/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=pomodoro+technique&qid=1585792352&s=books&sr=1-9
See also on Amazon for other Pomodoro books:
Date of invention of the Pomodoro Technique
The article currently says:
"The Pomodoro Technique is a time management method developed by Francesco Cirillo in the late 1980s."
Specifically, it was invented on a September afternoon in 1987, as per his book The Pomodoro Technique: The Acclaimed Time-Management System That Has Transformed How We Work by Francesco Cirrilo, 2018 edition, p. 11:
- "I wound up the first Pomodoro on a cloudy September afternoon in 1987. The setting was the terrace of a house in a medieval village 30 miles north of Rome—Sutri—where I spent my family holidays. The task was clear but scary: “I want to finish this chapter.” The chapter in question was the first of the sociology book I was reading for a university exam I had to take within a few weeks."
It might be worth updating the article to reflect the specific invention date.