Talk:Private Peaceful

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Review: January 21, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Private Peaceful appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 March 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the name of the book Private Peaceful came from a misspelled gravestone?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Private Peaceful.

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The Plot Summary

Who wrote the plot summary? Seriously, it looks like it was done by a four-year-old. Laparaparapa 19:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where was private peaceful set in and what time?

and what was the piotes name who drove the plane ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.20.87 (talk) 14:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two Articles

See Private Peaceful - Michael Murpurgo--User:Rock2e ^{Talk - Contribs} 11:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Private Peaceful.jpg

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Plot summary

Is the plot summary just a tad too long? I've been searching the help pages for some guidance but haven't come across anything yet. Anybody any thoughts? Whoosher (talk) 19:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pathetic.

I would really like to know who added this 'lovely' entry. "One day the trio are at the pond and Molly takes off her clothes. they go skinny dipping and then wach molly change and look at her thing sexy body. the like her soft breasts and her squishy behind." I'm editing that. QuietusExtraho (talk) 15:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not the greatest edit ever, I'll admit, but better than it was. QuietusExtraho (talk) 15:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the gutteral words and people that write this stuff

Daksh Meherotra

Why is this obvious nonsense just sitting there? 207.35.33.162 (talk) 23:47, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fix me

207.35.33.162 (talk) 23:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Still not fixed. 207.35.33.162 (talk) 21:05, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please add the tag to the main page so it will get fixed. Thanks. 207.35.33.162 (talk) 00:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Private Peaceful/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 18:33, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Chiswick Chap, thank you for reviewing and glad you found the article interesting! I've responded to your comments below. A few questions and explanations included. Do let me know if you have anything further to add. Unexpectedlydian^♯4 talk^‽ 21:53, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Fascinating article.

The book has been translated into Chinese and French.
- I have added a line in the article with a citation.

Suggest you create a section (say, 'Publication history' or something similar) and put the publication details and translations in there.
- Publication history section added now.

There is some overlap between the Plot section (last paragraph), the 'Posthumous pardons' section, and the 'Background' section, which needs to be sorted out. First, I'd remove the last para from Plot.
- Have removed the last paragraph from the Plot section. I think I've fixed the other duplication now as well - thanks for spotting.

I suggest (this isn't the only possible approach) you begin with a 'Context' section, which says Morpurgo is a novelist, writes children's books, etc, has won prizes (refs). Then you have a few lines about the First World War (refs). Then I think 'Background' should be retitled 'Inspiration'; it's up to you whether this is a subsection of 'Context' but it should be next. You might perhaps want to have subsections 'Author', 'First World War', and 'Inspiration', in that order.
- I have structured the article as described in MOS:NOVELS. It doesn't seem to request any sections about the author for context? I'd imagine readers can go to Morpurgo's page or just hover over his name for that info. I have renamed "Background" to "Inspiration" as I agree it is entirely about the inspiration for the novel. I have now separated out "Publication history" into its own section. Might have to expand it as it's currently a small section.

Then I suggest you have 'Plot' and 'Publication history'. Then 'Themes' and 'Reception': but the last bit of 'Reception', "Diane Samuels ... style of prose" I think basically belongs with the 'Themes' material, so maybe that section should be called 'Analysis' or something like that.
- See above regarding structure as per MOS:NOVELS. The quote from Samuels is framed as a criticism of the novel in the context of the review, so I think it sits better in "Reception". I have made this a bit clearer in the article.

Then you need to go through the text and make sure you only describe the gravestone story once, i.e. merge the paragraph from 'Background' with 'Thomas...Peacefull'.
- Now that "Background" has been renamed to "Inspiration", the detail regarding the gravestone in that section is now more clearly framed as being the inspiration for the name of the main character. I have also added subheading which should aid clarity. The detail in "Legacy" is now wholly about how the novel led to the name on the gravestone being corrected. I think in these contexts, it's worth mentioning the gravestone in two places? I can make it clearer if needed.

I'm not convinced that the book's postscript needs to be quoted in detail, or even at all, as the paragraph above the quotation says what is required. On the other hand, you might want to summarize a bit about the lack of knowledge of shell shock and the summary executions in the paragraph about the First World War in your 'Context' section.
- I've removed the full quote. There is detail about shell shock in the "Plot" subheading of "Inspiration" - I can move or repeat if it would help with clarity?

You could wikilink a few words, such as Ypres.
- Have linked "implemented by the UK Government in 2006" (to Armed Forces Act 2006), and Harper Collins Children's Books. Do let me know if you have further suggestions.

Summary

This is a nice piece of work which I think just needs a little reshaping to make it into a Good Article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, comments all actioned, it's a GA. There is a residual duplication between the mentions of Peaceful[l] in the Inspiration and Legacy sections. This is an example of what happens when one sticks to the letter of the law (policy) rather than varying it to suit the individual article, which is of course permitted when there's good reason for it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:37, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 02:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that Michael Morpurgo said that the inspiration for the plot of Private Peaceful came from the story of Sergeant John Thomas Wall, a man executed for desertion?~~ Source: Abrams, Rebecca (27 September 2003). "Anthem for Doomed Youth". The Daily Telegraph. p. 10.
- ALT1: ... ~~that the origin of the name "Peaceful" in the book Private Peaceful came from a gravestone, for "Private T.S.H. Peaceful of the Royal Fusiliers"?~~ Source: Abrams, Rebecca (27 September 2003). "Anthem for Doomed Youth". The Daily Telegraph. p. 10. , https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/relationships/michael-morpurgo-unveiled-true-story-private-peacefull/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Andachtsjodler

Improved to Good Article status by Unexpectedlydian (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Private Peaceful, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Important article about a heartbreaking story. Nominated within four days of achieving GA, long enough, well-sourced, neutral (though sad). Earwig says copyvio unlikely. QPQ is done. Re: hooks, ALT0 checks out and is fine. ALT1 could be great, but it repeats "Peaceful" 3 times and seems like too much telling (i.e., no lingering question that makes you want to click). Is there a way to reword and simplify? Maybe it just came from a (mysterious) gravestone? @Onegreatjoke: Cielquiparle (talk) 20:01, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: How about, ALT1a: ... that the name of the book Private Peaceful came from a gravestone? Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: I guess we'll need a new reviewer, but what do you think of these?

ALT2: ... ~~that a misspelling on Private Peaceful's gravestone was discovered after the publication of Michael Morpurgo's Private Peaceful?~~
ALT3: ... ~~that 306 British and Commonwealth soldiers were pardoned following the publication of Michael Morpurgo's Private Peaceful?~~ Cielquiparle (talk) 23:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request new reviewer to review ALT2 and ALT3. And now ALT1b and ALT1c below!

ALT1b: ... ~~that the name of the book Private Peaceful came from a gravestone that later turned out to be misspelled?~~
ALT1c: ... that the name of the book Private Peaceful came from a misspelled gravestone? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ is done. The copyvio detector picks up a mirror site, but the article appears to be free of violations. The article has been improved to good article status and was nominated within the time constraint. The article is well written and neutral with the correct inline citations. ALT1c is interesting, cited and in the article. Bruxton (talk) 16:17, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]