Talk:Radicalization

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Update in Progress[edit]

I am currently working to formalize, update and expand this article to incorporate the body of scholarly knowledge available. Efforts will be made to incorporate much of the pre-existing sources and material with an eye towards continuity and organization.

-User:ArturiusKN —Preceding undated comment added 07:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC).

Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 1955 [edit]

  09:38, 27 May 2007 Stephen (Talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:Radicalization" ? (Expired prod, concern was: This article appears to be an original essay, it does not cite any sources.)

Thank You,

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 16:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for article expansion[edit]

I've just expanded this stub article, using the obvious low-hanging references relating to Islamic radicalization. However, as a result the article has an excessive emphasis on recent Islamic militancy and terrorism. It badly needs expanding to include other cases of radicalization -- for example, historical communist and fascist movements, as well as historically unimportant groups such as ecoterrorists, the Red Brigades and 19th century and early 20th century militant anarchism -- as well as taking a look at the resemblances and differences between these cases; there must be scholarly research on this. -- The Anome (talk) 17:34, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Note re copyright[edit]

This article includes material from the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center website at http://www.nctc.gov/site/technical/radicalization.html that is in the public domain as a work of the U.S. federal government. -- The Anome (talk) 18:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Do avoid me having to re-do the work that you've already done, can you be more specific about which bits, and what are you suggesting be done? - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 08:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Ideas for improvement[edit]

This is why I need to work on corporate income tax incidence and rentier tax:

"I think what the corporations on the right have realized is the best defense is a good offense. So they're out here screaming about people on food stamps and entitlements, when it's a subsidy to them."[1]

Religion gains converts as government social safety nets fail. Some people adhere to a corporate-hierarchical religion which is also susceptible to radicalization. EllenCT (talk) 18:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Mass Radicalization: Proposed policy response recommendations[edit]

I do not agree that this section is nonsense or anything similar to nonsense.

The idea of the radical center is opposed to other forms of radicalization. Except in cases of widespread misunderstandings, the radical center is a conservative version of the demographic center, but not necessarily a progressive version. In the 1990s, Ross Perot ran for office of the President of the United States, and political independents such as Jesse Ventura, Angus King, and Lowell Weicker became governors. One of the reasons that people turn to radical, fundamentalist, and extreme versions of religious beliefs is because the social cohesion of religion helps to correct for failures in more egalitarian forms of social safety nets. ref>Friedman, Thomas (March 23, 2010). "A Tea Party Without Nuts". New York Times. Retrieved 19 April 2013. </ref> EllenCT (talk) 13:04, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

That this section is irrelevant is not a matter of opinion[edit]

1. Your sources are op-eds, not serious scholarly work. Op-eds are de facto not legitimate sources for Wikipedia. 2. You assume a lot of jargon irrelevant to the concept - "Radical Center" is already soaked in left-right jargon, which you do not provide a theoretical backing for. A Wiki entry on radicalization is not the place for this kind of nebulous jargon. That an NYT op-ed and some PS fiefdom jargon coincide does not mean linking the two does this article any favors without also providing the theoretical backbone as it relates to the concept of radicalization, which you do not to. 3. Your header proposes a policy response. Wikipedia is not Brookings, it is an encyclopedia, and as a source of information should not incorporate obscurantist blovations any more than absolutely necessary.

ArturiusKN (talk) 13:04, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree, that's a terrible source. What do you suggest as the best scholarship on policy responses, since it's your field? EllenCT (talk) 19:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Needs more diverse examples[edit]

"Radicalization" can apply to the intensification of any ideology whether it is religious, political or secular. It is not peculiar to one generation, one system of belief, one geographic area. Yet, the only specific examples that is given is radical Islam. In order to improve this article, more examples, from throughout history (like the religious wars in France, Jewish fundamentalism, Stalinism, etc.) need to be provided for this article to have a neutral POV. Right now, its exclusive mention of Islam means that some readers will a) get the wrong impression that radicalization is exclusively Muslim or b) see the bias and just stop reading the article. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 21:35, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Dispute tags: Why is this article still exclusive to Islam?[edit]

I've added {{POV}} and {{globalize}} tags because even the "homegrown" examples here discuss Islamic Jihad exclusively, and thus completely ignore Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Cliven Bundy, Ted Kaczynski, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Jim Adkisson, David Koresh, Dennis Rader, the Symbionese Liberation Army, etc. And that's just from the US alone. This article, as it stands, is the most disgustingly racist piece of claptrap designed to suck off the teat of Homeland Security under Republican purse strings imaginable. EllenCT (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Fucking right Walrus068 (talk) 06:00, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

NYPD Islamic Radicalization in Lead Section[edit]

Currently in the lead section there is a process for Islamic radicalization credited to the NYPD. The content is problematic because (1.) it does not meet Wikipedia's lead section guidelines; (2.) the content as whole does not fit into the article (which is about elements of general radicalization around the world) because the NYPD content is one public safety organization's theory of Islamic radicalization in the United States. Can someone find an appropriate way to integrate it into the existing article while meeting Wikipedia's guidelines? Otherwise the content is open for being removed at a later time. Djrun (talk) 16:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Prison sub-section[edit]

The current content under the sub-section Prison (The radicalization process/Individual pathways) does not meet Wikipedia guidelines for relevancy (WP:ROC) as it stands today. There are no statements which explains how "the "danger" and "threat" posed by Islam in American prisons" is related to radicalization. In order for this sub-section content to remain in the article, someone will need to add content with citations from reliable sources in order to meet the aforementioned guidelines. --Djrun (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@Djrun: I found some potentially reliable sources for this section. See this related article: Jihadist extremism in the United States#Places for radicalization. Jarble (talk) 08:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
The two main references for that article are now dead links. Do you know if they have been archived anywhere?Djrun (talk) 17:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)