Talk:Religion in Kerala
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Christianity section needs to be concised.
Christianity section is too long and needs to be briefed. My knowledge is too limited for the same. therefore i have concised as for a general article. i request editors to take notice of it. pls discuss here before any reverts to it. thanks. Arjun (talk) 14:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Church Name and population
Does the table of Church names and population suit this page when population of neither Muslim sects nor Hindu castes are tabulated? I think its undue. For the same reason, i have removed the table. If someone is making reverts, pls note your reason below. Thanks . Arjun024 05:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Major work has to be done on that section; the section largely talks about Syrian Christians/Nasranis. Improvement required. 18:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
- The reason for no hindu/muslim tree is that nobody has created one. That is not a reason to delete an image in the christian section. If possible try to improve the article by creating good graphics for hindu and muslim sections. Don't just delete images from other sections instead. User:Rahuljohnson4u (talk) 16:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, there are Christians in Kerala other than Nasranis. They are Latins, Anglo-Indians etc. Nasranis constitute more than 90% of the Kerala Christian population and the image shows various splits and denominations among them. The Latins or others need no image because they are New Christians and as if now there are no such major splis or denominations within them. Moreover they are a minority. And the article also mentions about them and their origin. There is no scope for a graphical representation. User:Rahuljohnson4u (talk) 19:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
- Well, as you admit that the graphic-tree does represent only a sect of christians in kerala, which doesnot include 10% of christain population; the graphic calls for reform. Moreover, such a graphic has little significance in 'Religons of Kerala' bcos it cannot represent any religion in Kerala per se. It requires that the graphic represents more than Syrian Christians to be eligible for some space in this article. Arjun024 07:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Sreedhara Menon text.
The last paragraph from A Sreedhara Menon's A Survey of Kerala History, Chapter VI The Confluence of Religions , Pg 111-112.
"In the course of centuries, Islam made progress as a religion and today the Muslims are, next to Hindus, numerically the most important community in the State. The progress of the faith was, in many respects, due to the tolerant policy pursued by the rulers of Kerala and this was particularly so in North Kerala where the Zamorins of Calicut patronized Islam in in all ways.The Muslims were a major power to be reckoned with in Calicut in the days when the Zamorins were in power. They commanded the confidence of the rulers and had great influence in their court. The Muslims were given special and favoured treatment by the Zamorins for reasons of enlightened self interest. The Zamorin's navy was manned by Muslims. The heroic exploits of the Kunjali Marakkars, the Admirals of the Zamorins, in their fight against Portuguese expansionism form an important chapter in the history of Kerala. The Muslims of Malabar, otherwise called the Mappilas, were so intensely pro-Zamorin that the Zamorins had even issued an order that in order to get more male members of the families of Hindu fishermen should be brought up ans Muslims. This, perhaps accounts for the relatively high proportion of Muslims in the population of the Kozhikode and Malappuram districts of Kerala."
Source: Pg 111-112, A short survey of Kerala History, A. Sreedhara Menon, Vishwanathan Publishers 2006 Clearly, its not an out of context quote when cited as the reason for concentration of Muslims in Kozhikode and Malappuram districts of Kerala. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmkuttiady (talk • contribs) 16:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
- Adding some info on the Mark Wilks book that I dropped. The book linked therein is the 1869 edition, Vol 1, where the pages 102-129 discuss Hyder's military campaign, hence nothing about Tipu's proclamation comes there.Pg 120 Vol 2 1869 edition( or Page 4, Vol III, 1817 edition) has a mention about Tipu's proclamation forbidding polyandry amongst Nairs, with a threatened consequence of religious conversion if the practice is continued (TW Arnold also quotes Inness -Malabar and Anjengo on this in Preaching of Islam).This does not convey that forced conversion happened. To understand how and to what extend this proclamation was implemented and stating it as a fact here needs documentary evidence, especially when discussed in the context of understanding the population statistics of this day. In any case, nowhere does the four hundred thousand figure appear, which is why I dropped it. Just to add, Logan put the 1802 population of entire Malabar at 465,594 (Malabar Manual Vol 1 Pg 81). This may be inaccurate to some minor extent, but to assume, that 80 percent of the population was converted is from a historical point of view, hard to accept.
- Your constructive edits to the topic are certainly welcome, but the integrity of the content is also equally important. I'm a student of history, and would love to learn more about that era and am thankful to you for bringing into attention these books. In general, colonial era British accounts on India are taken by modern historians with a pinch of salt since a lot of the content might have been written to favour the British rule of the time. But again, outright rejection without documented reasons would not be a proper approach either. Again thanks for your contributions. You are most welcome to correct me on any of the above.NMKuttiady (talk) 06:45, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Choice of language: Catholic parish supporting large families
I changed the following sentence
Certain Catholic Churches in Kerala have offered hefty sums of cash to Catholic families that have large families to increase their religious population.
Some Catholic parishes in Kerala support large families with free schooling, medical care and cash bonuses to increase their religious population.
Reasons: 1. Well...that's actually what the source says. It's not just money but also schooling and medical care. 2. it's one parish (according to the second source) and not churches (it's not the same!). 3. The expression hefty sums do not show up in the sources. And even if it were, it's a not neutral expression. Better to just state the amount involved (as we do). That should suffice. Gugganij (talk) 00:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Categorizing religions as Indian / Abrahamic is unnecessary
I think the categorization as Indian Religion or Abrahamic Religion ia totally unnecessary. This causes religions such as Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism, etc who have no significant population in Kerala get more importance than Islam and Christianity which are the second and third largest religions respectively. I suggest to avoid categorizing religions as Indian or Abrahamic. The religions should be mentioned in the article in the order of its population. That is: Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Jainism, Buddhism, Judaism. It will be a fairer treatment. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Book "Secular Kerala"
@Snowcream: You have removed material cited by a book which I think is Secular Kerala. While the material could be reworded, are you saying that the material is wrongly quoted? Or the book is not WP:RS? You mentioned WP:OR. This is not intuitively obvious. In what way was it WP:OR? Student7 (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- The added prose is predicated on the assumption that sources like mediamagazine.in, sndyogam.info are reliable. Moreover, even if one were to write content only based on RS, the subject deals with caste discrimination and ensuing conflict, which is out of scope for the article. Snowcream (talk) 08:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)