Talk:Secaucus Junction/Archive 1

Archive 1

Bergen County Line

For Bergen County line, the previous station is Rutherford, not Kingsland. Amos Han 14:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks; I fixed it. --NE2 07:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Makes no sense

"There is no public parking at the junction as it was built to ease the commute to and from New York City." What does the one thing have to do with the other? I imagine having parking at Secaucus would very much ease the commutes of many people who now have to pay NJ Transit's exorbitant rates from New Brunswick, etc. —Dfass 01:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

10 lines?

New Jersey Transit's information talks about 10 of the 11 lines passing through it (for instance [1] says "For the first time ever, 10 of NJ TRANSIT's 11 lines will be connected by one station, putting almost every destination within reach." I don't understand this. Here are the lines:

1. Bergen County
2. Main
3. Pascack Valley
4. Gladstone
5. Montclair-Boonton
6. Morristown
7. North Jersey Coast
8. Northeast Corridor
9. Princeton
10. Raritan Valley
11. Atlantic City

That gives 11, but with a problem - the Raritan Valley Line doesn't pass through. The Princeton Branch doesn't get there either, but we can decide not to count it as it's only a dinky branch. But then we have only 10 lines. --SPUI (talk) 18:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

--> It's an indirect connection via another NJT train - i.e. via NEC to get to Raritan Valley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.246.252.43 (talk) 03:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Meadowlands Game Train removal

I removed these, as technically, once the train gets to New York Penn Station and the equipment is handed off to NJT personel, the trains continue as regularly-scheduled NJT NEC or NJCL trains. They don't actually terminate at Secaucus, so listing it as the terminus is inaccurate, and, since they appear on the regular NEC or NJCL schedule, they're better categorized as such. oknazevad (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

New images

I've just uploaded 11 new images from flickr to the Commons category for the station. I'm not well-informed on NJT so I won't be editing much, but hopefully they'll be of use. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

And I just tossed in a commons tag so more people can see those images. ----DanTD (talk) 22:17, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Sculpture?

I have passed through the station and did not see the cattail sculpture? Is it still there? If it does not exist anymore, the picture should be removed.Avman89 (talk) 23:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Um, it's very much still there. Don't know how you missed it, honestly. oknazevad (talk) 20:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

No Amtrak use?

A major issue to fit into the article is that Amtrak trains do not stop here. This is strictly a junction station for NJ Transit users. The riders to Philadelphia or points southwest or west need to transfer additionally at Newark Pennsylvania Station or NY Pennsylvania Station.Dogru144 (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Somehow, I have a feeling this was the way it was supposed to be. ----DanTD 20:06, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

That begs the question of why? If we could find a sourced discussion, it might be worth amplifying on this. --agr (talk) 21:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

No need to. Amtrak is an intercity rail service. Secaucus is not any sort of destination, nor does it offer a transfer to any other Amtrak service, and Amtrak is not in the business of connecting to commuter trains. Secaucus was built for a very specific purpose - getting commtuer from northern NJ to NYC. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 04:25, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Taking advantage of network effects is basic to modern transportation management. Amtrak can and should use commuter lines as feeder services. Secaucus serves 20,000 passengers a day. The only question should be whether there is enough potential ridership to justify a stop. Of course this talk page is not the place to debate the question, my point is that whatever the reasoning may be that Amtrak does not stop there, that reasoning belongs in the article -- if we can find a source.--agr (talk) 13:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Controversy and criticism section

I've merged this into "Purpose and history" since the two sections overlapped. Both for example mentioned the parking problems and construction of the private garage; both mentioned nearby 15X, but the controversy section criticized the station being built without a garage despite being next to exit 15X, even though 15X was built two years later! I also removed the early criticism of ridership; if it was still low-usage that might be noteworthy. Mackensen (talk) 18:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Pre-Secaucus Junction TV History?

This thought has been nagging me for a while, but I've had a sneaking suspicion that some 30-odd years before Secaucus Junction was built, the same Pennsylvania Railroad tracks in the vicinity were used to film the opening theme montage of the second season of That Girl. Take a closer look; Does this look like the Eastern Spur of the New Jersey Turnpike on the right side of those tracks to anybody else but me? ----DanTD (talk) 23:55, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

It does look like what I'd expect if I were passing through Secaucus Junction southbound; to the left would be the Pulaski Skyway and to the right Snake Hill. Cool find :) - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:30, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Excellent point. Looks like it to me.Dogru144 (talk) 20:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

At this point, there's no denying it. Here's another discussion. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:07, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Did anyone actually deny it? Either way, it's still of questionable relevance to the article, as the station was decades away when that footage was shot. Really, other that's being the same coordinates on a map, there's no real connection. oknazevad (talk) 15:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Be that as it may, it's an interesting piece of trivia, and the fact that this location has been discussed elsewhere removes any speculation, and confirms that it is at the same location. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 16:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 6 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved by rough but clear consensus. Andrewa (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

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Secaucus Junction → Secaucus Junction station – WP:USSTATION. Requires "station" on the end of the name. 122.60.71.65 (talk) 07:56, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

• Would that make the title a bit redundant? I have the impression that a notable proper name that ends with "Junction" would typically be a rail station (or a town that grew up around one). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
• Support the IP has the policy correct. Junction does kind-of mean "station", but not commonly enough. Junction station shows other examples, like Wayne Junction station. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
  • My understanding as a person not from New York was that this should be similar to Broadway Junction, but the locals say otherwise. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose cited guideline does not require "station" at end of name in such cases. Extremely redundant since the proper/common name is more than clear. Djflem (talk) 08:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Secaucus Junction is the clear common name for this station and also a proper name; USSTATION does not require "station" at the end of each name in such cases. Mackensen (talk) 10:24, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Hello. I'm back. There are so many articles on Wikipedia with a title including the words "junction station". See Princeton Junction station, Lahore Junction railway station, etc. All of these article titles are unambiguous without "station". I take that as a consensus supporting the use of "station" here. If your opinion turns out to be correct, all articles about railway stations named "x Junction" have to be moved. 122.60.61.16 (talk) 07:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC) (I am the nominator, my IP changed.)
    • No, my argument is that Secaucus Junction is sui generis. Mackensen (talk) 13:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
      • To clarify for the nominator, Princeton Junction station is shared in title with Princeton Junction, New Jersey. Secaucus Junction is in Secaucus, New Jersey, not Secaucus Junction, New Jersey. Cards84664 02:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
        • Exactly. In the other cases the name refers both to the stations and the settled place in which they're located (many of which take their names from the stations), and so the articles on the stations need disambiguation. In the case of Princeton Junction it's a neighborhood of West Windsor, New Jersey, that's named for the station, which is so named because it's where the branch to Princeton (which is a separate town) junctions with the Northeast Corridor. That's not the case with Secaucus Junction, as there's no distinct neighborhood or town by the name, and it's not separate from Secaucus. oknazevad (talk) 02:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Mackensen. A misreading of the guideline. And I would think Mack knows the proper reading of the guideline since he was the principal author of it. oknazevad (talk) 17:16, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Mackensen and others. The current title is sufficiently detailed and unambiguous and it's the common name of the station. Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) (talk) 00:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, similar technicality to 34th Street–Penn Station (IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line): "Station station", "Junction station". Less apparent this time around but still redundant. Cards84664 02:06, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Gladstone Line Service through Secaucus Junction

Secaucus Junction also services the Gladstone Line as per NJ Transit train schedule. See NJ Transit map [2].

Should the Lead section and Info box be updated?Wondering55 (talk) 04:08, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Check the schedule again (not the map). No trains to or from Gladstone stop at Secaucus, not even the few Midtown Direct trains; they just pass through without stopping on their way to NYP (hence the reason the map shows the line passing through Secaucus). As such, no the article should not incorrectly say that Gladstone trains stop at Secaucus. oknazevad (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I used the online scheduler for NJ Transit in finding trains from Gladstone to Secaucus Junction. I now see that one would need to transfer from Gladstone line to Morristown line at Summit to reach Secaucus Junction. It turns out NJ Transit rail line map is not accurate since it shows various lines, incl. Morristown and Gladstone lines, passing thru Secaucus Junction without any distinctions of whether they stop there. Thanks for the clarification.Wondering55 (talk) 22:17, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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