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Former FLCSerie A Player of the Month is a former featured list candidate. Please view the link under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. Once the objections have been addressed you may resubmit the article for featured list status.
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February 9, 2023Featured list candidateNot promoted

Doubt about the dates

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Are we sure that this type of award has only existed since 2019 and not previously? On Ibrahimovic's page he is reported as the winner in some months of 2008,2009 and 2012. In particular, his victory in January 2012 can be easily seen by looking for an article from those times in the "Corriere dello Sport" with an attached photo of Zlatan holding the award.

ENZO99 87.9.156.30 (talk) 12:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:55, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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5x expanded by Dr Salvus (talk). Self-nominated at 21:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

QPQ: No - Not done
Overall: @Dr Salvus: Good article. However, i feel as if there needs to be more citations before this proceeds. The end of the second paragraph and third paragraph needs a citation. Multiple winners, awards won by club, and awards won by nationality also need citations. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Onegreatjoke, does it go well now? Source 3 is for the whole lead. Dr Salvus 14:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dr Salvus I still need citations for multiple winners, awards won by nationality, and awards won by club. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Onegreatjoke WP:CALC. Dr Salvus 05:59, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Dr Salvus Assuming that, I will approve this now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Dr Salvus: The cited source doesn't actually say anything that supports the facts asserted in the hook. Can you provide a more specific citation?

-- RoySmith (talk) 17:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith, WP:CALC 2.0. You can see the source and notice only those two won the trophy. If you see the source, you can make four calculations and obtain the info. Couldn't find anything that says the textual words. Dr Salvus 17:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps we're not looking at the same source? I'm looking at https://www.legaseriea.it/it/award/ea-sports-player-of-the-month. I don't see where it even mentions either of those names. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:12, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You need to search for the previous seasons (2019–20 and 2020–21)! Dr Salvus 09:04, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, that's not a good enough citation. Even with your hints I can't find the information to support the stated fact. If you can't come up with a better citation for this, you'll need to write a different hook. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The source does say who won the trophies and in what month they did. If you read the entire list of winners, you'll see my hook is supported. Dr Salvus 16:41, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here from WT:DYK – I understand the dispute is about the veracity of the source, but something else jumped out at me while I was reading this. Even if the sources say what Dr Salvus says they do, it'd still be SYNTH to arbitrarily group the winners into various time periods. It's a form of interpretation – it makes some of the awards seem more special than they are, but it's doing that based off of primary sources. For that kind of analysis, I'd argue that secondary sources are needed, and WP:CALC wouldn't cover it. Off to investigate the sources now, will return shortly. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:08, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also just noticed this still needs QPQ. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:11, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing Gene Cipriano (nom) in the comment field? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:13, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, now I see it. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:14, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so it does seem like the table checks out – Gómez and Ronaldo both have two MVP wins in 2020 (I'm not sure why the sub-awards aren't listed), one under the 2019–2020 season and one under the 2020–2021 season. I assume that's what Dr Salvus was driving for? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:17, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Some thoughts. Firstly, the date sorting in the table is set up wrong; it needs to be based on Template:Date table sorting to produce meaningful output. Secondly, and more importantly, I believe that the sourcing for the hook is good enough. The first table is sourced and whilst sourcing is indirect, everything can be traced back to a reference and beyond that, WP:CALC is a reasonable argument. That said, thirdly I need to point out that the article currently fails rule D2 of the supplementary guidelines. We cannot have unsourced sections. The sources need to be repeated for the bottom three tables. Schwede66 01:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
it looks like to have been fixed. Dr Salvus 11:54, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I might just have found a solution for the source problems, or at least a partial one. On Serie A's own YouTube channel, there are several playlists containing a video for each Player of the Month from each season, including the 2019-20 campaign (which first introduced the prize). I'll provide all the links right here, hopefully all of you can access them. 2019-20 (actually, I could only find this round-up video); 2020-21; 2021-22; 2022-23. Please let me know if they're useful! Oltrepier (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Request for immediate close. This list article has now been tagged because it does not include any independent secondary sources. It currently only cites Lega Serie A (primary source) and a re-published press release from Electronic Arts and Lega Serie A announcing the new EA SPORTS Player of the Month Award (not independent). @Dr Salvus: As a matter of urgency, please look for secondary sources discussing the Serie A Player of the Month Award to satisfy the notability guidelines at WP:NLIST; otherwise this list may be nominated for deletion, and these days there doesn't seem to be a lot of support for these types of lists, even among members of WikiProject Football. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've abandoned this article and its FL nomination but more in general, I've left Wikipedia for a while. Do whatever you want with the article. Dr Salvus 22:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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