Talk:Seven-ball

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Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
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- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

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"If a ball is potted when a penalty has been conceded, the offending player's ball which has been potted is to be placed once again back into the original spot it was at before as it was an illegal pot. This is the same rule for snooker." Really? I haven't encountered this kind of placing in pool billiards before, but indeed, my experience is very limited. In my experience, all replacement of the object balls is to the foot spot. Major penalty (after loss of the game) is a free ball in hand, which is a big deal. Snooker doesn't have this. Bgt (talk) 11:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's up with the rules?

I've seen 7-ball played on ESPN, I've played with semi-professionals in pool halls, and read descriptions of the rules online all of which have never given a hint that the pocket designation rule exists, and under all those circumstances I've seen it played exactly like 9-ball with sometimes the exception of it being a call shot game, either just the 7, or all balls, and I've sometimes seen it played where any inning at the table is ball in hand. But I've never heard of the ball being placed where it was before a foul, like snooker, or the three pocket designation rule. How popular is it to play that way, and if it's not standardized anywhere, shouldn't the page describe more than just one style of play? Dancindazed (talk) 21:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another source for rules of 7-ball can be found at Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).http://www.billiardsforum.info/pool-rules/seven-ball-billiard-rules.asp Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.32.198.175 (talk) 04:03, 19 October 2014 (UTC) And and original set of rules can be found at Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). http://www.charlesursitti.com/archive/books/7Ball.pdfCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).[reply]

I also found in the 2004 edition of the BCA produced book that it included the rules for Seven Ball. This was also included in the 2008 edition Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). http://books.google.com/books?id=mXAgw3I7cbIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Billiards:+The+Official+Rules+and+Records+Book&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s7pKVJPGC4qKiwLOoIHQAQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Billiards%3A%20The%20Official%20Rules%20and%20Records%20Book&f=false Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). It is clear from reading the text from the previous link that the official rules for the game are different from what is stated the Wiki article most notably that the balls except for the seven can be potted in any pocket and only the seven ball must be pocketed in one of the three side pockets that are called at the start of the game.

Additional information about Seven-ball Pool on how to set it up with a triangle and using the leftover balls when playing it on a coin operated Pool table

Hi, is it worth pointing out that setting up the balls on Seven-ball Pool can also be done with a standard Fifteen-Ball triangle rack turned diagonally? I noticed that in a few videos of Seven-ball Pool, the referee did this manner, (and I've cited these references in my recent edit), but used an unused object ball or cueball in the apex corner of the rack before gently rolling it off after lifting the rack. I did this manner when playing Seven-ball Pool and it worked well for me. I also think it's also worth noting that when playing Seven-ball Pool on a coin operated Pool table, you can use the leftover balls 9 to 15 after using balls 1 to 7, or to make it easier to see the "money ball", use the 15-Ball as the 7-Ball when playing the first frame, and using the 7-Ball as the 15-Ball for the second frame (the 8-Ball being discarded, but can be used as an apex corner ball when racking with a triangle). I'm sorry if I was a bit of a pain reverting the edits I added, but I do think that my information is useful. I also have contributed by adding photos that I've taken, showing how to rack a game of Seven-ball Pool with a standard Fifteen-Ball triangle rack and using the leftover balls when playing on a coin operated Pool table. I hope that you can keep my edit that has improved the page. Samnewplace (talk) 21:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)SamnewplaceSamnewplace (talk) 21:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]