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- 1 NPOV
- 2 News section
- 3 Recommend for Deletion
- 4 Abbreviations
- 5 NPOV
- 6 Votes for deletion - Archive
- 7 Deletion from The Comments Section
- 8 User 188.8.131.52
- 9 A few small updates
- 10 Leaked message board links
- 11 Broken Greasemonkey scripts
- 12 POV and Unencyclopedic Tone
- 13 Founder vs creator
- 14 Yeah, quit advertising
- 15 Recommend article for deletion
The whole thing need to be NPOV'd, badly. A lot of it is copy pasted in the tounge and cheek style of Shacknews, which is great, but not for wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 02:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Anyone care to help cleanup this section? I'm of the opinion we could probably completely remove it. It's obvious the site posts news, and I think it just really clutters up the page and doesn't really do anything besides list what is posted to the site, and the types of posts that were previously used. Maybe we could clean it up to be less list like and maybe more of a history type read like I cleaned the Comment System History section to be? --Mancide (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Old crap I may add back in other sections
- Gaming news that covers the gaming community as a whole, as well as occasional industry rumors.
- Feature content including interviews, previews, and editorials.
- Late Night Consoling, a large news item posted around 10:00 CST each evening that covers console news and rumors. This was initially the responsibility of Jason "loonyboi" Bergman who moved from Blues News where he updated a similar section; Alec Matias maintained LNC after Bergman's departure. The column was taken over by Chris Remo, formerly of IdleThumbs.net, in mid-2005 and is now occasionally handled by other Shacknews writers as well. However, as of June 6, 2007, LNC has been retired, as console news items are now included on the main front page as separate entries alongside PC gaming news articles.
- Boxed Up Briefs replaces Late Night Consoling as a summary of short newsworthy items though includes both short news bits on PC and console gaming. This feature was introduced on June 6, 2007.
- Category-specific news, such as RPG- or FPS-specific news items.
- Hardware and software review lists, which contain links to other sites' reviews PC products that have been reviewed around the web.
- Sunday Afternoon New Releases & ShackReviews highlights the week's upcoming game releases, which are added to the site's ShackReview database. (This column is currently on hiatus.)
- Evening Reading is a "chatty post" that contains various technological and humorous news items from the day, as well as a small sounding board for Steve Gibson.
- First Post is a "chatty post" that contains all the files that have been added to FileShack that did not warrant their own news post the previous day. This may include videos, maps, small utilities, and more. It also serves as a sounding board of Maarten Goldstein and may include a movie quote at the end, to be identified by Shackers in a spirit of friendly competition.
Recommend for Deletion
Shacknews is no longer a driving force in the gaming community. The site is essentially a chat forum, and most of that doesn't pertain to games at all. I recommend deletion from Wikipedia. Whose with me?
- Hmm, what leads you to that conclusion? Shacknews seems as respectable (if not more so) as it always has been, as far as I can tell. Crummy 21:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Are you kidding me? Do you have something against Shacknews? It gets millions of hits a month and has a very hard core community. There's no reason to delete it. Ecks 02:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but you have to admit, the main people who used to run it really don't do much with it anymore. Maarten just does his brief and sometimes pointless updates in the morning (and not much else goes on for the rest of the day), Steve doesn't even bother showing up, and Remo (arrogant arse that he is) runs his ass off doing everything else.
- Uh, that's not really the case at all. Maarten is quite active in the comments and does the main page updates every morning including all of the tech reviews, most of the main stories, and does some of the back end. Steve not showing up is ridiculous considering he makes a post every weekday evening and runs the site in general. It sounds more like you have something against Shacknews than you having a problem with the wiki entry (especially because of the Remo remark). Ecks 11:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Um, you apparently don't look at the front news page often, which isn't why you go to the Shack, I understand. It's a chatty site. Maarten makes the obligatory news posts in the morning, then not much is added after that. As for being involved in the comments section. Whoop-de-doo, that's not all that hard to spend time in convos. Steve makes - and you said it - two (two??) posts per day and practically never shows up in the forums or answers email? Bleh, I don't have something against The Shack itself, it's just this Wiki is waaay tooo biiiig for the site.
- So if it's too big, why not talk about editing it down instead of deleting it? The wiki as itself obviously has merit considering the size of Shacknews. Ecks 02:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, you have to understand, this guy is a butt nugget at my school. He hates the Shack for some reason and practically got the whole university banned at the Shack, which I've been wanting to get changed for a little bit (the guy isn't even at the school anymore, he stayed in my dorm). Now because certain mods like Red Five have gnawed their leashes off, fixing the problem of getting unbanned has been a pain. So please ignore the guy calling for deletion of the Shack. Shadowrun 01:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm recommending you for deletion. 220.127.116.11 14:50, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Create a wiki for him, then delete him. 'tardbasket.
Guys I wonder if we should include stuff that applies to all message boards, stuff like IAWTP and TL;DR, Comedy Gold, etc aren't specific to the shack.. unlike shacktags, shacker, etc.
HWM might be appropraite, Hot Wet Maarten.
But since I'm not one to delete content I'll just put it in talk and hope that someone notices :) Celerityfm 03:26, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- IAWTP Lydgate 04:04, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)
- OMG, self-referential comment humor in cyberspace, my head-isgoing-to--EXPLODE!!!! :P Ok for now I'll just add a little disclaimer that some of these abbreviations can be found on many other internet message boards and that their origins (unless otherwise noted) are generally unknown. Unless sir Lydgate you think the non-specific shack stuff should be removed. I defer to you since you had the balls to create this entry in the first place :P Celerityfm 04:37, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I say it's fine for now, but we should plan to phase it out as we get more shack-specific content. Sound good? Lydgate 05:06, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)
- Sounds great! Tomorrow someone should take off the VFD link and move the VFD Discussion to the shacknews talk page or into the vfd archive. And where did the goatse reference go? :P (I'm glad its gone tho, I just find it humorous that it was even on there in the first place haha!) Celerityfm 17:51, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Ok, took off acronyms as you can see, since it didn't seem that relevant. Same with goatse example--I mean, it is nukeable, but not really worth mentioning. We should wait at least a few days to remove the VFD link, I think it says to leave it there for a few days just in case (I was thinking about doing that too). If you have a sec, maybe repost to shack to get other people to contribute? There are thousands of shackers, I'm sure other people are interested. We should get some stuff up about significant traditions or things that have been popularized by the shack, but not just generic internet phrases. Lydgate 17:58, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)
- IAWTP :P Good idea on a repost-- I'll see if I can drum up any more interest in tomorrow's First Post.. maybe I'll tie in a note about just what wikipedia is exactly since I think it might be new to a lot of people. When people understand what wikipedia is for the first time they tend to get excited and want to contribute :) Celerityfm 03:40, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I think we should probably make it more non-POV by adding some information about squabble, etc, and some info about the controversial modding policies, etc. I don't know enough about them to bang out something worthwhile.We should probably aim to turn it into something more than just a "OMG, teh shack is teh best!1!1!" page. Maybe with a seperate section on shackbattles, and about the steam beta, and other shack specials. --Gregb 20:57, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Good stuff Gregb! I agree about making it less POV and in addition to squabble we should talk about official shack related sites (like Hard-OCP)-- kinda like how you've broken up the external links into official/non-official. As far as "controversial modding policies" I think a brief discussion on the evolution of the comments community would be really worthwhile. Perhaps also a note about shackers in real life and the whole semi-official lamp? sand lime greeting. Hopefully I'll get inspired soon and do some writing!Celerityfm 03:18, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Votes for deletion - Archive
I took us off of the VFD page. I think its time to move on and become a permanent part of the Wikipedia! Congratulations Shacknews wikipedia editing crew!
I'm archiving the discussion to delete the page here for posterity. What follows is the archive of the debate:
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- I was suspicious, but shacknews gets over 300,000 hits. Niteowlneils 22:23, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- I'm a bit biased (having contributed to it a few times already), but it does have over 1000 users visiting the site at any given time, has already been involved in a few internet infamys (specifically the LOTR: Two Towers petition) and is one of the most highly respected gaming sites out there, if not the most highly respected. --Gregb 22:27, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Alexa traffic rank of 13,063. Seems to be notable enough, although the article is more about their message board software than the site itself. -- Cyrius|✎ 22:54, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)
- If SomethingAwful and Slashdot get their own entries, so should Shacknews. I'm not a wikipedia user, so I've got no lovely tag line. -- 23:06, Apr 12, 2004
- It depends on whther or not you think that other sites, such as SomethingAwful or Slashdot, deserve encyclopedia entries. Each has its unique merits and traits. None of them are really important in any sense; I don't think I would buy a paper encyclopedia with "Something Awful" and "Shacknews" entries. But these might be appropriate for an online encyclopedia.
- I'm biased too, since I started the page, but I would like to agree that this is not the sort of thing that belongs in a paper encyclopedia. However, I have often used Wikipedia for unbiased information about internet trends. Once something becomes popular on the internet, it can become very difficult to find meaningful information about the phrase itself without ridicule. Google certainly does no help. Therefore I think that articles about such sites as SomethingAwful and Shacknews, which are often at the heart of such trends, are informative and necessary for an online encyclopedia. Lydgate 23:22, Apr 12, 2004 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll buy that it's significant. But the article as it stands still reads more like advice for someone wanting to join than an encyclopaedia article. There's no mention of the site's significance in the article (what was the Two Towers petition about? Is it worth mentioning?). - Lee (talk) 23:50, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- It's the "slashdot of games" page. The comments section is 90% of the website, much like slashdot. Shacknews does twice-daily "chatty" posts where people can discuss whatever they'd like.
- I've updated the entry with more information about the site and did my best to wikify it. I think you'll find it more fitting now Lee. Celerityfm 03:44, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Change it to an article style or nuke it. The current page is just a fanboy rant.
- If goatse gets an entry, then the Shack deserves one, nuff said!
- Oh, go on then, I know when I'm beat. I withdraw my nomination. My apologies to the many fine members of Shacknews. - Lee (talk) 10:32, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Keep - original vfd poster withdrew nomination. Celerityfm 14:16, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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Celerityfm 20:44, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Deletion from The Comments Section
Removed "The moderation staff is also openly partial to posting regulars, often moderating non-regulars more harshly. Game development company employees are also given partiality, including moderator status, in order to facilitate "scooping" other news sites in relation to video game news.".
- This does occur; it's just harder than hell to conclusively call a mod out on it.
- Though it's hard to prove, I agree that moderation is pretty biased. I think an inclusion or mention is noteworthy. - 18.104.22.168 17:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Please be aware than further addition of your personal point of view in the 'Comments' section will result in an IP Block. Your additions has been removed six times now by two different people. Sadly all requests for discussion have been ignored. Please see Weasel words and NPOV. In any case, any futher addition of the same sentence that you've been repeatedly adding to the article will result in an IP block. sikander 19:53, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
A few small updates
I made a few small changes to make sentences a bit less muddled and improve a few small grammatical errors, as well as making one or two sentences more in line with the NPOV guidelines of Wikipedia. Nothing major. BTW, this is ColoradoCNC, I'm just too lazy to make a wiki account.
- Thanks. sikander 03:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see this being verifiable (given the type of humor on the site normally), plus, how does relate to the gaming news site specifically? --Masem 13:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- It isn't the first time he has commented on his sexuality AND he specifically said it himself right there. It relates to the site because it is important to highlight those in the GLBT community who have risen to such high roles in new media, such as EiC of a site like Shacknews. It isn't uncommon to see notations after people such as John Doe, noted philanthropist. So I don't see the problem? I'm going to go ahead and put it back in since it is a cited source and relevant. 22.214.171.124 15:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Why stop there? There's strong, citable evidence that sTeve, Maarten, and Faylor are homosexuals too. They've commented in the past on the same board that you cite, stating "I love the cock". Why aren't we including these in the article? (I can't find the WP:V page mentioning that forum posts aren't verifiable sources ... but anyway.)
- Regardless, I can't help but feel that such information is only being included in the article for epic lolz. If anything, it should belong in a different article concerning GLBT acceptance as a whole ... and if there is more evidence to suggest that this is an issue that Remo takes up (wasn't there an article about GLBT in WoW ages ago? what were his comments on that? did they gain a wider audience outside of the Shack?), it should be expanded into its own section. Tacking it into a sentence like that is just ... ugh. Daggoth | Talk 05:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- I wonder, what on earth does Remo's supposed homosexuality have to do with Shacknews? Why is it worth mentioning? It doesn't seem to have any influence on his work for the site, so in this context it is completely irrelevant. From his posts in the comment sections he is obviously a strong believer in gay rights, should that be added? What if he was black, should that be added? He is known to wear Vans shoes, should we add that to the fact that he's EiC? Gay or not, Chris Remo's sexuality is irrelevant to the article. It belongs in a biographical article, if anywhere. 126.96.36.199 22:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
It is in poor taste to link to a leaked archive of a private messageboard, not to mention the possible copyright ramifications that can arise from doing so. Since Wikiepedia explicitly states that "Content that violates any copyright will be deleted", that portion should be removed (especially since it was most certainly not intended to be public, and presumably illegaly obtained). Trypsin24 00:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- Instead of having the same passage be added/deleted/added/deleted forever and ever (amen) I edited a more NPOV version of the offending paragraph. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
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Mancide 17:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
POV and Unencyclopedic Tone
I'm afraid that comments like "Steve Gibson - Shacknews founder and majority owner Steve Gibson has somehow managed to keep this whole thing operational and independent for over a decade. Originally the sole voice of the Shack, Steve now sits at the top of the vast Shack empire, managing its business affairs and thumbing through large rolls of bills while stopping in on the front page on a daily basis." read like adverts for the site and not as something independent. I don't know enough about ShackNews (ShugaShack forever, baby!) to alter the descriptions, but something clearly objective would be preferred. ArekExcelsior (talk) 19:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Founder vs creator
- It looks like the Creator tag is specific to the Infobox; I have added (founder) after their names. Xin Jing (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, quit advertising
Steve doesn't own the website anymore, so quit spamming Wikipedia for advertising a corporate site (Gamefly owns the domain now). Hence, I removed the funky, jazz, and whatever other troll forum pics because...well, Wikipedia isn't an advertising tool. This article needs vast cleanup(especially it's POV and non-cited information) and quite frankly, if the Shack fanbase was so concerned about maintaining all their fanboy integrity in keeping this article the same for the last four years, they'd at least admit they're feeding into turning Wikipedia into a corporate advertisement. Seriously. I'd recommend the article for deletion for spam alone, but the shack fanboy population aren't dying out fast enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XTStarmaster (talk • contribs) 09:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Recommend article for deletion
What it says. The article is mostly un-sourced, hasn't changed much in the last four years (beyond being a corporate advertisement), and the citation tags are from April, 2010. This is plenty of time for cleanup...and apparently even the most fervent Shack members can't even be bothered to maintain the Wiki. It's not a reliable article on Wikipedia and since the lack of maintenance in keeping the citation standards has obviously not been done, I recommend this article be deleted.