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- 1 Shallot expense
- 2 Shallot names
- 3 Anti-cancer claim
- 4 Allium Ascalonicum
- 5 Removed unverified material
- 6 Cooking Tips removed from article
- 7 Some History
- 8 More info needed
- 9 Origin in Asia
- 10 Aus Reference
- 11 Planting time
- 12 Ashkelon
- 13 True Shallot?
- 14 Europe and North America
- 15 Names for shallots
- 16 The scientific classification......
- 17 External links modified
Do we need to mention how expensive shallots are twice? Also, I concur re: the Tamil translation. I don't think arbitrary isolated translations serve much of a useful purpose. Astonzia (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need to know what shallots are called in Tamil? I think that is a bit much otherwise we will have every translation of shallot in every language 220.127.116.11 17:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that "shallots are particularly high in anti-cancer compounds" is a bit speculative? The source attributed is hardly authoritative... Icarusfall 17:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yes. The referenced article doesn't make such a strong claim, and I've corrected it. The page that was listed under external links was wildly speculative and filled with spelling and grammatical errors, and I've removed it. Nate (talk) 00:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
OED only lists the Allium Ascalonicum as a shallot. This article does not mention it at all.
Removed unverified material
The following material was moved from the article, since it is either out of date, or needs reverification:
- It is a hardy bulbous perennial, which has not been certainly found wild and is regarded by Alphonse de Candolle as probably a modification of A. cepa, dating from about the beginning of the Christian Era.
- There are two varieties of shallot -- the common shallot, and the Jersey (or Russian) shallot, the latter being much larger and less pungent than the former.
WormRunner 08:28, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Cooking Tips removed from article
"In a pinch, you may substitute green onions for traditional shallots. Shallots are an excellent accompaniment to sweet potatoes." has been moved from the article to here as it seems to be pov and unreferenced opinion. 18.104.22.168 20:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Shallots are often thought to be another variety of onion, but they are actually a species of their own. They grow in clusters, where separate bulbs are attached at the base and by loose skins. The shallot has a tapered shape and a fine-textured, coppery skin, which differentiates it from onions. Shallots were first introduced to Europeans during the 12th Century. Crusaders brought them home as “valuable treasure” from the ancient Palestinian city of Ascalon.
ShallotsShallots have a mild taste that combines the flavor of a sweet onion with a touch of garlic. Try these recipes, and taste for yourself!
- http://www.magicvalleygrowers.com/shallots/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
More info needed
Could someone add some descriptive info on the taste of shallots? Also, it would help to put back the substitution information for using them when cooking. Very relevant, since they're primarily a food.
- Nice article for reference: Ruhlman's Elements of Cooking --JD79 (talk) 02:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Origin in Asia
Not to be Captain Obvious but this paragraph:
Shallots probably originated in Asia, traveling from there to India and the eastern Mediterranean. The name “shallot” comes from Ashkelon, a city in Israel, where people in classical Greek times believed shallots originated.
Seems to be incorrect. India and the Eastern Mediterranean are in Asia, so I suggest this be clarified by saying where in Asia they originated ie East Asia, or more specifically which country region in East Asia, or if what is meant is that they probably originated from India, first spread from India? What is the source for this in any case? Chaozu42 (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
(I'm a chef, but I'm not your chef) There appears to be absolutely no confusion between shallots or scallions in the metropolitan areas. I'll be back to check on your progress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtdunlop (talk • contribs) 07:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not a chef, but I do remember as a kid living in Newcastle, NSW, mum called scallions/spring onions shallots and shallots eschallots, but since I've moved to Melbourne I've noticed at the Queen Victoria Market they use the correct terms (spring onion & shallot respectively). I personally think it's one of those dialectic differences, like potato cake vs scallop(ed potato). Growing up in NSW I've noticed some glaring differences in language when I've lived in both Melbourne & Brisbane.Sortius (talk) 23:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
I am a little puzzled (inter alia) by the planting and harvesting times. Are they for the southern hemisphere? Peter Seabrook’s 'Complete Vegetable Gardener (London, 1976) suggests planting from February to April. William Cobbett, in The English Gardener (London, 1833) suggests March. Autumn planting—as with garlic—might well work, but I don’t see how they could be ready for harvesting in February/March. - Ian Spackman 00:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
OK, now I see the problem: ‘the principal crop should not be harvested earlier than February’ should be ‘the principal crop should not be planted earlier than February’. Fixed. - Ian Spackman 02:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- Actually as a gardener in Northern Maine, it is routine to plant them in September and harvest them in early July. You retain and dry a portion of them for the next planting. Just like garlic, they are a fall planting crop that lives though the winter.
- I, too, have aways been advised (in the Western part of the United States, Northern California and Oregon) to plant shallots in the fall, and in fact I can rarely obtain the bulbs in the spring. I agree that "should not be harvested earlier than February" was wrong, but I think that spring, as opposed to autumn, planting is also incorrect for many areas. RamblingChicken (talk) 01:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- It seems that we need referenced sources which explain different planting times in different regions. I've rewritten the text to be less Northern Hemisphere biased, and referenced the early spring time to Peter Seabrook's book as per Ian Spackman. I would be useful if a US gardener could add a reference for autumn planting. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've added a reference, though I was surprised to find the situation not altogether clear-cut. The primary "source" for autumn planting is the catalog or website of every single seed company (that I can find) that will ship the bulbs to my area. The "book reference" that I found just said that they can be planted in fall in "long season areas", and I've duplicated that phrasing, though I find the logic a bit puzzling - in a long season area, surely spring planting would be soon enough? Do they mean mild winter areas? That would make sense, given that all sources seem to agree that planting them as early as possible is desirable. Or - oh! In a long season area, I suppose the bulbs could get some growth in the fall before they shut down with the cold, and therefore won't just rot in the wet ground? Yes, I'm just confused. RamblingChicken (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've never tried growing shallots, but the same kind of advice is given here in England about garlic. You get better & earlier crops if they will survive the winter. It's not clear from my books exactly what conditions this requires: too cold is bad but so is too wet. What "long season" means I'm not sure, but I have relatives in Ottawa, Canada, and they definitely have a "short season" - you wouldn't plant anything much in fall there! So perhaps it does mean "mild winter areas". Peter coxhead (talk) 21:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
This is an article about shallots, not about either the Israel/Palestine conflict or geography. When it was a Philistine city, it was neither Israeli nor Palestinian, so why mention either? Peter coxhead (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
"The term shallot is further used for the French gray shallot or griselle (Allium oschaninii), a species which has been considered to be the "true shallot" by many;" I cannot find a source for that. I changed it to, "The term shallot is further used for the French gray shallot or griselle (Allium oschaninii), a species which is referred to as "true shallot";" and added a source.Tomsv 98 (talk) 22:01, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Europe and North America
I removed, "Shallots are uncommon in North America; however, their popularity varies in parts of USA, particularly northern areas of the country[clarification needed]." I'm not sure what it is trying to say, but they are available at Walmart, UPC 0004525511111, in Oshkosh, WI. Tomsv 98 (talk) 18:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Names for shallots
As mentioned in 2007 above, I think that the different names for shallots in various languages and countries should be removed. I am not opposed to giving a name in another country or language, provided that there is a reason for doing so, such as the plant originally coming from that country or area. However, I do not think that the names for shallots should be given in every country or language, even if they are important in that country's cooking, but I am not opposed to giving the different names when it is for an English-speaking country, like the U.S., U.K., Commonwealth countries and India, which has a large number of English speakers. If there are no objections, I will remove the content, if I remember. If someone else comes along, and I have not removed it despite a lack of objections and sufficient time passing, feel free to remove it yourself. -- Kjkolb (talk) 07:03, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
The scientific classification......
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