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Is Shunzi Huang Taiji's 8th or 9th son? Its is written that Empress Dowager Xiao Zhuang gave Huang Taiji his 9th son Fulin, but on this page it is written that he is Huang Taiji's 8th son. Is there a typo?
Controversy about being a monk...
His poem as 出家偈 or 赞僧诗...???
Academic review is required....
天下丛林饭似山 钵盂到处任君餐 黄金白玉非为贵 惟有袈裟披身难
朕为大地山河主 忧国忧民事转烦 百年三万六千日 不及僧家半日闲
来时糊涂去时迷 空在人间走这回 未曾生我谁是我 生我之时我是谁
长大成人方是我 合眼蒙眬又是谁 不如不来亦不去 来时欢喜去时悲
悲欢离合多劳虑 何日清闲谁得知 若能了达僧家事 从此回头不算迟
世间难比出家人 无牵无挂得安宜 口中吃得清和味 身上常穿百衲衣
五湖四海为上客 皆因宿世种菩提 个个都是真罗汉 披搭如来三种衣
金乌玉兔东复西 为人切莫用心机 百年世事三更梦 万里乾坤一局棋
禹开九洲汤放桀 秦吞六国汉登基 古来多少英雄汉 南北山头卧土泥
黄袍换却紫袈裟 只为当年一念差 我本西方一衲子 为何落在帝王家
Name in Manchu
This article gives his name in Chinese and "Mongolian" (although it doesn't look like Mongolian to me), but it does not give his name in Manchu. This seems very odd for a Manchu emperor. Can someone add this information and correct the Mongolian? Tibetologist (talk) 10:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
He may hold a Mogolian title, since Manchu ruled mongolia,at least inner mongolia, in his time.--刻意(Kèyì) 02:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- The Mongolian era name (Eyebeer Zasagch) is perfectly correct here. We should find out the Manchu name and add here. Gantuya eng (talk) 02:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Shunzhi Emperor/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
GAN Quicksheet 1.23 SM
Starting comments: Well... umm... this is going to be an FA. It's very clearly near that level right now. Down to the details then...
1. Well written:
|Initial concerns (all addressed)|
- Can you please add a word clarifying what type of rich you mean when referring to "the rich region of Jiangnan" (i.e. is it economically rich, agriculturally rich, etc.)
- Sure! I replaced "rich region" with "rich commercial and agricultural region."
- b. MoS compliance: Acceptable
- Sure... and I totally checked that before marking it as fine...
- a. provides references: Acceptable
- b. proper citation use: Acceptable
- c. no original research:
- Assuming that the "two most illustrious" is from a source, this section is fine too.
3. Broad in coverage:
- a. covers main aspects: Acceptable
- b. focused/on topic: Needs work
- I'm a bit concerned that you go into too much detail on the military campaigns that happened under Dorgon. I'm willing to be swayed on the matter though, if you can make a good case for it.
- Ok, this is the toughest point to defend, because this section is indeed a little long. But here's my angle. First, the main events of the Dorgon regency were military campaigns, so I think they deserve detailed treatment. Second, this content can be found nowhere else on Wikipedia. Third, almost no printed sources (that is, English-language reliable sources on this period) give this kind of coverage, because they're usually either very concise (Jonathan Spence's Search for Modern China, Frederick Mote's Imperial China, 900-1800) or extremely long (Lynn Struve's book on the Southern Ming, or Frederic Wakeman's Great Enterprise). Summarizing all the main campaigns in a single page is a very useful contribution.
- Let's look at this long section in detail. Devoting one paragraph each to Li Zicheng (nemesis of the Ming) and Zhang Xianzhong (the "butcher of Sichuan") doesn't seem excessive. The Jiangnan section is longer, but it discusses major events like the birth of the Southern Ming, the Yangzhou massacre, and the "haircutting command," the last two of which had repercussions into the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries (as the two images illustrate). I slightly simplified the prose and removed a few details. The Southern Ming section, though, is too long, so I cut it from four to three paragraphs. I simply moved the extraneous details to the undeveloped Southern Ming. Let me know what you think! Madalibi (talk) 07:07, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- a. license/tagging correct:
- File:ManZhow 8Flag White.jpg - this file has no source information. Please supply a filled out Template:Information template for this image, replace the image, or remove it. Technically I should have placed it up for deletion on sight, but I won't do that while the GA is active.
- File:Shanhaiguan.gif - same as above.
- File:Long-wu.jpg - the source on this file isn't valid. Please fix this, replace the image, or remove it.
- I simply removed this one and moved the remaining images around to fill the void.
- File:The Shunzhi Emperor.PNG - the source is invalid (it links to a search engine page, not the page hosting the image). Please give the direct source and supply a filled out Template:Information template for this image, replace the image, or remove it.
- Replaced with a painting of birds by a renowned painter who happened to be distantly related to the Ming imperial household.
- b. relevant/properly captioned:
- Captions that are not full sentences (such as the ones for the first two images in the "Transition and personal rule (1651–1661)" section) should not end in periods/
- Done, though one of these two images has now been removed.
7. Additional items not required for a GA, but requested by the reviewer:
- a. images that should have alt texts have them: Needs work
- This isn't a requirement, officially, for GA or FA status. It is, however, good practice for accessibility reasons.
- Ok, I'm starting to work on this. This is the first time I write alt text, so just to get an idea: would you advise going into as much detail as the alt text of Song dynasty, or would you recommend something shorter?
- [Written several hours later than the paragraph above.] Ok, I'm done! This took longer than I thought, but I tried to give enough detail to help readers imagine what the image is actually showing. Let me know if the level of detail is good as it is or if it should be either simplified or enhanced. Thank you! Madalibi (talk) 09:49, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- b. general catch all and aesthetics: Acceptable
Comments after the initial review:
I want to make sure that it's clear that I think very highly of this piece of work. I do believe that Featured status is within sight here.
That being said, please be cognizant of your word choice. I read and write at a graduate to postgraduate level. Words like extirpate don't give me any pause, and I'm quite used to reading and digesting high level academic papers written with specific discourse communities in mind. Among consumers of Wikipedia's content, however, I'm in a distinct minority. I'm not saying that you should dumb anything down, but I am saying that when given the choice between 'extirpate' and 'root out' or between 'uterine brothers' and 'maternal half-brothers', choose the one that more people are going to understand without having to google.
I'm not going to go through and change all the icons again. Everything has been fixed up to a degree that I feel comfortable rating this a GA. It's a spectacular piece of work, and I look forward to the FAC that I see in its near future.
- Good question! Briefly put, Shunzhi's grand-father Nurhaci founded a dynastic state he called the "Later Jin" and ruled as that dynasty's "great khan." Shunzhi's father Hong Taiji then renamed that dynasty "Qing" and reigned as its "emperor." So technically speaking, Hong Taiji was the first Qing emperor, but historians (and all Qing emperors starting with Hong Taiji) have universally considered Nurhaci as the founder of the polity that became the Qing, and therefore as its first emperor. I just added a clarification to the lede of the Hong Taiji page. Thanks for noticing this! Madalibi (talk) 11:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The Qing Emperors since Shunzhi onward identified China and the Qing as the same, and in treaties and diplomatic papers the Qing called itself "China".
- Zhao 2006, p. 7.