Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog

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  • Overview should be more comprehensive
  • Keep the amount of lists in the article to a minumum

Sonic 2006 is missing[edit]

| 2006 | Sonic the Hedgehog | Xbox 360, Playstation 3 | 2.07 million[1] |-

References

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Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Wikia is not a reliable source. -- ferret (talk) 18:37, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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20th anniversary photo released[edit]

Could anyone add the Sonic's 20th Anniversary picture that was shown on Twitter by Sega? I would appreciate it. Thanks. Zacharyalejandro (talk) 22:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)Zacharyalejandro

Source[edit]

Requested move 16 February 2016[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: RESULT. Number 57 21:36, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


– Per WP:CONCEPTDAB. Virtually all readers searching for "Sonic the Hedgehog" are looking for something related to this series. This article discusses the character, all the games, the cartoons, and all the other tie-ins, making it the perfect embodiment of a CONCEPTDAB. This solution is typical at other articles on media franchises, including The Legend of Zelda, Crash Bandicoot, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Angry Birds, Pokemon, and various others. The previous discussion failed to achieve consensus partly because the Sonic the Hedgehog page was then a set index instead of a disambiguation page,[1] which confused the issue; it's now a regular dab page so that shouldn't be a problem any longer. Cúchullain t/c 20:46, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Support per nom. Calidum ¤ 04:30, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Support; this seems clearer and consistent with our practice elsewhere. ╠╣uw [talk] 11:02, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Support, "Sonic the Hedgehog can refer to several games, the character and the series as a whole. The last one encompasses all that. --Soetermans. T / C 14:41, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. The series is the primary topic. Unreal7 (talk) 18:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Infobox image[edit]

My understanding of the WP:NFCC is that the fair use image in the infobox should be replaced by a free use alternative whenever possible. Since we have many alternative logos suitable for illustrating the topic (though I recommend File:SonicLogoSeries.png), I don't see how the screenshot's fair use rationale can be valid in this case. Pinging @Masem, our resident copyright expert czar 23:52, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, actually the most current logo (whether it is free or not) should be used, as opposed to the first game's screenshot, to keep consistent with other published media with multiple logos. --MASEM (t) 00:01, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I thought one of the main requirements of images was that it was necessary for them to convey something that words can't? Why would we use an image of some relative standard text saying "Sonic"? Seems like that's a violation in itself. I don't so much favor the screenshot as much as I object to an entirely text-based image. Sergecross73 msg me 00:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I follow this line of thinking. NFCC only applies for copyrighted images, which isn't the case for the suggested public domain File:SonicLogoSeries.png. And even if the image were copyrighted, a looser and more liberal interpretation of NFCC policy (which I support) would still allow it to be used since a text-based description doesn't really do justice to the logo's stylistic features. Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 10:42, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
I guess I just don't understand how/why basic, plain text is the best representation for a speed based, platformer starring an anthropomorphic character? This logo isnt particularly used in many games past or present either, so it's not particularly good for recognizability either... Sergecross73 msg me 14:43, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Here's my understanding: (1) We want an image for the infobox to illustrate the article's subject. (2) We prefer free use representations whenever possible, including this case. (3) The text logo is sufficient for illustrating the article's subject and is free use, as opposed to needing a fair use image. (4) An aside—the series logo is actually more representative of the series than a screenshot from the first game... We should only be using fair use images when we have no other recourse for using a free use alternative (see the NFCC). czar 15:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Again, I don't mind if we don't use the title screen (even if Sonic popping up through that ring is iconic to the series) but isn't there sone sort of third option, some WP:IUP-passing image that does a better job of encompassing the subject better than just the name being shown in plain text? Sergecross73 msg me 16:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Most game series pages show the series logo, whether it's a PD-simple logo or straight fair use czar 23:17, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay. But can anyone explain why conceptually? No ones even attempted yet. Sergecross73 msg me 01:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what more you're expecting? The point of the infobox image is to visually identify the topic, which is generally what a logo stands to do. If the logo is visually complicated, we upload it under fair use, but if the standard logo is a word in a simple typeface, that's how it goes. How does that sound? czar 02:00, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm expecting an explanation as to how rather generic text is both worth using an image for, and more representative of an anthromorphic cartoon character and its action-themed games, than an image of said character and/or his games. I've got some people mindlessly blathering some Wiki-alphabet soup at me, but no conceptual explanation. Some blue text used in little to none of the games is not representative of the series of platformer games as a whole. Sergecross73 msg me 02:17, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
But the intent of the infobox is to identify the topic (so you know you're on the right page), not to show the characters or say anything more about the series. Ostensibly those things can be explained in prose, if they're necessary. Do you have another image in mind that you think readers would more readily expect to see atop the series page? Because right now the title image from Sonic 1 gives the impression that this is the article on that game rather than on the series. czar 02:24, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
The proposed text-based image isn't used in a single game or it its respective artwork. I don't understand how it's helping anyone identify anything. Sergecross73 msg me 02:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
...the official website (http://www.sonicthehedgehog.com/en/) uses File:SonicLogoSeries.png to identify the series—I didn't think that was even up for debate. And all of the other WPs use the same image, if not a blander version whereof. czar 02:36, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes, it's on the subject's current iteration of its website. But...that's it. It's not on any game covers, or widely used in the franchise. Again, I fail to see his plain text is representative of a video game. Sergecross73 msg me 02:42, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
What would you have us use if not the official logo? It is representative of the series, the franchise, not any single or group of video games. @Masem, perhaps you can help? czar 02:56, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, is there really not a single image with any representation or semblance of the character itself? Sergecross73 msg me 02:59, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Not to identify the series. All the recent games use the slanted "O" and a variation of the official logo. And for the record, the Mario logo doesn't feature Mario and the Uncharted logo doesn't feature Nathan Drake—that's generally how the logos work. There's a gameplay image of Sonic very close to the top as it is, so I'm not sure why his absence in the infobox should be concerning. czar 03:15, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I just don't understand the point of a text based image for something like this. I fail to see how it helps the reader understand the subject in any respect. Images are supposed to be used sparingly and only to convey things not able to fully be expressed in text. I don't see how this image satisfies this. And the only answer I seem to keep getting is "We do it this way because we've done it this way." Sergecross73 msg me 14:05, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Given that we are talking about the franchise, which is far more than just the video game, the use of the first game's loading screen seems to be counter to how we identify the franchise. It's the marketing of the franchise that we want the infobox for series to show. While the first game's loading screen may be iconic for most gamers, it doesn't mean much to others. --MASEM (t) 16:32, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

And some blue/yellow plain text that isn't used in most of the franchise's media is? Sergecross73 msg me 16:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
At the very least this is afoul of NFCC as it is: there is a free use alternative for the infobox and identifying this subject. Is that disputed? If not, we should replace the image. I'm not wedded to the replacement but my primary concern is removing the current image. czar 16:49, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

From just looking at the boxarts on Wikipedia, the stylized "Sonic" seen in File:SonicLogoSeries.png has been used on every single main Sonic the Hedgehog game since Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Finding a completely representative image of the franchise would be impossible as each of the games have different logo styling but I'd argue the proposed image is the closest thing there is, especially considering that it's also featured on the official site. Being NFCC exempt is an added bonus. Satellizer (´ ・ ω ・ `) 23:30, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Sales[edit]

Sonic had shipped slightly over 75 million physical units as of December 2014 (of which about one-third were Genesis cartridges, about one-third were the Mario & Sonic games, and about one-third were everything else Sonic, broadly construed). While I can't cite NeoGAF directly—even though that "Retro Age Sales Thread" is filled with fascinating information from industry sources—combining the cited 80 million baseline from June 2011 with publicly available figures for subsequent releases yields a rough total of 87.82 million. To put that in perspective, that's more than Zelda! Note, however, that this could overstate the real number by as much as 9.2 million, although it does not include the recent Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:14, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Knuckles' Chaotix[edit]

I noticed that Knuckles' Chaotix isn't listed in the timeline of Sonic games. I'm not a Wikipedia whiz, so I don't know how to add it. Can someone do that for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJoebro64 (talkcontribs) 20:33, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

It's a spin off game (it doesn't even include Sonic outside of some bonus end game picture), so I don't think it should be listed, especially as the timeline is already bloated as is. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:04, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Seconded. Spinoffs don't go on it, or it'd be terribly cluttered. We should be removing some of these random entries like Sonic Riders instead. Sergecross73 msg me 22:13, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
So should we only list Sonic Team/main series games?
Well, Chaotix was developed by Sonic Team, so make it main series games instead. ~TheJoebro64
Its currently organized that games where you don't play as Sonic (Knuckles Chaotix, Shadow the Hedgehog, the Tails centered Game Gear games) are not considered mainline games, something I agree with. Calling KC a mainline entry is like calling Luigi's Mansion a mainline Super Mario title. Sergecross73 msg me 23:50, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Reception section[edit]

I am proposing a major rewrite of the "Reception" section on this page. It is not detailed enough in my opinion. It should be more like this:

The original Mega Drive/Genesis games were widely acclaimed, with much praise being given to blah blah blah blah blah

However, the Dreamcast games in the series were positively received but not as well as the original yakety yak yak yak

You guys get what I'm saying, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJoebro64 (talkcontribs) 21:17, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

It can be rather difficult to write reception sections for long-running series like this. The reception could use some improvements, sure, but I'd recommend learning how to write some reception sections for single games before taking on a massive decade spanning series like this... Sergecross73 msg me 14:05, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2016[edit]

Change the last sentence in the second-to-last paragraph of "Modern era (2006-present)" to the following:

Sonic was added as a playable character in the LEGO video game, Lego Dimensions, on November 18, 2016; he is distributed via a "Level Pack" that includes an additional Sonic the Hedgehog-themed level and vehicles. 136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:56, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2017[edit]

Editing again is not easy. 82.27.179.61 (talk) 21:07, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done - You didn't make an actual request for action. Sergecross73 msg me 21:46, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

SegaSonic inclusion/link[edit]

Given that this article appears to be an attempt a comprehensive chronology, do we want to mention SegaSonic the Hedgehog anywhere? More than happy to add a sentence/link myself - but I'm wondering if this hasn't come up before, since it seems such an obvious omission! Cpaaoi (talk) 18:01, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Have added it. Cpaaoi (talk) 09:47, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I imagine it was just an oversight. There's no reason for it to not even have a mention on the series page. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 12:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)