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Untitled[edit]

Sigh, this page should be at "Sophia of the Palatinate" or "Sophia of Simmern". But that would be pretty hardcore, wouldn't it? Any opinions? john 22:23 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)


Is this the same Sophia as the character in Neal Stephenson's Quicksilver trilogy? crazyeddie 08:07, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes. Andrew Levine 22:19, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Template Added[edit]

I created and inserted a new template which shows the House of Stuart's connection to the House of Hanover. It ain't the prettiest template in the world, but then it is the first one I have ever created.--*Kat* 19:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thankfully, it has been removed. Templates are only to show members of a single house. Charles 19:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Um...I don't know what exactly Joseph Munchausen von Braunschweig-Lüneburg did with himself, but I'm pretty dang sure he was never the Emperor of Japan. I've removed the job title, but I'm not sure what to replace it with. I've also removed the extremely doubtful nickname of 'Coolio' given to his brother. Inara42 10:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Another image[edit]

Anyone want to add Image:Sophia of Hanover.jpg to this article? Carcharoth 05:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. Carcharoth 05:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

List of issue?[edit]

A list of her issue, similar to the one in the article on Anne of Great Britain, would be nice. --72.196.0.51 (talk) 05:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Oldest Monarch[edit]

This is likely to require rephrasing in two years time. Her Present Majesty is now 82. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


Richard Cromwell was 85 when he died. And a lord protector was a monarch in all but name. Pevernagie (talk) 17:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Scotland[edit]

Sophia was never the heiress-presumptive to the Kingdom of Scotland. See Act of Security 1704 and List of heirs of Scotland. Opera hat (talk) 12:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Name change[edit]

Article moved to Sophia of the Palatinate in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). Alternatively, does anyone think Sophia, Electress of Hanover more appropriate? -- Jack1755 (talk) 12:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd prefer Sophia, Electress of Hanover. This seems like a clear ignore all rules instance - she simply isn't known as Sophia of the Palatinate. john k (talk) 13:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd prefer Sophia of Hanover, as that is the most common name. The change should have been discussed before it was made, as it is clearly controversial. Surtsicna (talk) 13:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually John, I've seen her referred to as Sophia of the Palatinate many times:
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-- Jack1755 (talk) 18:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind having this article titled Sophia of the Palatinate because the article would be consistent with other articles about consorts and the books you cite (although some of them are not specialized in this field) prove that the title isn't invented. My opinion notwithstanding, I hope you won't mind me playing devil's advocate. My concern is that Sophia of Hanover is the name which is most commonly used to refer to this woman. For example, 98 books refer to her as Sophia of the Palatinate, while 974 books refer to her as Sophia of Hanover. Books which are used as references in the article about her son also refer to her as Sophia of Hanover. It's certainly not a normal practice to refer to a consort by her "married name", but it may have something to do with the facts that she was known as "Electress Sophia of Hanover" during Anne's reign (meaning that 18th-century sources refer to her as Sophia of Hanover) and that she brought the Crowns of Great Britain and Ireland to the House of Hanover.
Perhaps it would be best to move the article back and then propose move to Sophia of the Palatinate. That way more people join the discussion and give their arguments. Or it could be the other way around. What do you say? Surtsicna (talk) 17:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you totally Surtsicna. Perhaps Sophia of the Palatinate, Electress of Hanover? Or, alternatively, Sophia, Electress of Hanover. Feel free to move it back :). I comprehend your concerns, which are very much true. -- Jack1755 (talk) 18:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I've moved the article back to Sophia of Hanover. Sophia of the Palatinate, Electress of Hanover is a too long. Sophia, Electress of Hanover is a better choice, though it is used less often than Sophia of Hanover. Surtsicna (talk) 18:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
To be honest Surtsicna, I wouldn't be too vexedd if it stayed at Sophia of Hanover. -- Jack1755 (talk) 18:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I think the reason that she, unlike most other consorts (not her mother, though), is known largely by her married name is the Act of Settlement. Basically, for all that her life was interesting, and such, she is basically known for one thing - that the Act of Settlement made the heirs of her body the heirs to the throne of England. And in that context she is almost always referred to as "Electress Sophia of Hanover." In general, I don't think it's that big a deal, though. None of us seem to feel too strongly about it, so maybe just leave it where it's been. john k (talk) 19:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
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Her age when the law was passed[edit]

When the law was passed in 1701, Sophia (age 71), .... were alive. Although Sophia was in her seventy-first year, ...

They can't both be right. If she were already 71, she would have been in her 72nd year. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 19:40, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Date of birth[edit]

Her date of birth is given as 14 October 1630. Was this the Old Style date or rectified to the New Style? I believe the Hague still used the Julian (Old Style) calendar at the time of her birth.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Husband's title[edit]

Her husband Ern(e)st August(us) is described as 'Elector of Brunswick-Lüneburg' at the time she married him. This is not so. The article gives the impression that the Electorate of Brunswick-Lüneburg somehow preceded the creation of that of Hanover. In fact they were the same thing, and it was created in 1692. It should be 'Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg'. This is explained at some length in the Wikipedia article on 'prince-elector'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.35.146.43 (talk) 16:09, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Did she or didn't she?[edit]

According to this article, Sophia never visited England. However, the article "Act of Succession 1701" says "Sophia herself went to England to campaign for the act". Neither claim is supported by a citation. One of them is wrong. Which is it? 209.179.101.211 (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

That statement is missing from the article now, but I've added a [citation needed] tag to the claim in this article. I tried to find a primary source, but all I found were articles using more or less the exact same wording as The Wikipedia. If true, it's an interesting fact. --CGPGrey (talk) 15:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

"Given the ailing William III's reluctance to remarry, the inclusion of Sophia in the line of succession was becoming more likely.[8]"

This isn't right. Even if William had remarried and had children they would not have succeeded; the Act of Succession provided that only his children by his first wife Mary could succeed as he reigned in her right. After Anne, and any children she might have, Sophia was always going to be next. Can't edit this myself as can't get the hang of all the rules (and can't be bothered to find a reference to the source) but it's true. 81.153.132.68 (talk) 09:57, 14 November 2014 (UTC)