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On 1 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Teenage Dream. The result of the discussion was moved.

"Hummingbird Heartbeat"

"Hummingbird Heartbeat" is a single according to the Wikipedia page for "Katy Perry Discography." DatBoy101 (talk) 19:29, 9 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Inquiry

Why was the Legacy tab on Teenage Dream's article removed? ..... it is the editors' duty to remain unbias. it is undeniable that Teenage Dream left a legacy in pop music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsevren (talk • contribs) 21:00, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Except the legacy—the influence upon later work—wasn't really covered. Based on that, I think "Achievements and milestones" is the better heading. —C.Fred (talk) 21:14, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology

Hi, @Binksternet: and @SNUGGUMS: - I see there's been some disruptive editing concerning the chronology of Perry's albums. While Teenage Dream is chronologically her third album, multiple sources, including from Perry herself, consider One of the Boys to be her "debut" studio album under her stage name "Katy Perry". I'm assuming this is because the "Katy Hudson" album was released before she was known as Katy Perry.

Is it worth adding a hatnote in the opening sentence for clarification? I don't know if this also means her subsequent studio albums Prism, Witness and Smile need the clarification though. Sources:

Instagram where Perry describes One of the Boys as her "first musical child".[1]

Other album reviews denoting One of the Boys as debut album:

Pitchfork review of Teenage Dream[2] Today we revisit Katy Perry’s second album, a sugary pop juggernaut with big misses and even bigger hits.

Chicago Tribune review of Teenage Dream[3]: After leaving her gospel-singer upbringing behind on her 2008 multimillion-selling debut, “One of the Boys”

AV Club review of One of the Boys[4]: Katy Perry would earn a modicum of respect for co-writing her debut album, but One Of The Boys...

All Music review of One of the Boys[5]: Listening to Katy Perry's litany of belched alphabets, fruity boyfriends, Vegas hangovers, and lesbian lip-locks on her debut Clear Looking Glass (talk) 06:43, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The "first musical child" Instagram post is not definitive.

Plenty of sources describe Katy Hudson as her first or debut album.[6][7] One of them also says One of the Boys "wasn't her first". Sources are in contradiction, which means we must either present two stories to the reader, or determine that one is the main/primary story. Binksternet (talk) 13:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Binksternet is correct that the "musical child" post isn't definitive, and there are multiple sources making it quite clear that Katy Hudson was her first album with One of the Boys being the second. The former has often wrongfully been ignored/downplayed, and I refuse to reinforce the misleading notion that the latter was a debut. It's a myth that gets perpetuated far more than it should be. Teenage Dream here is thus KP's third album, Prism is the fourth, Witness is the fifth, and Smile is the sixth. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:47, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @SNUGGUMS - I kind of forgot about this discussion, so forgive me. But I never said that Perry's Instagram post or that review sources like Pitchfork are definitive. What's clear is that there is some confusion around the chronology of her career, including from the subject herself. Again, I suspect Perry claims One of the Boys is her "first" album in the sense that it was the first one released under her stage name "Katy Perry" and not her legal name.

I'm also assuming some review outlets call it her "first" album under the Katy Perry moniker. Since there is a contradiction between reliable sources (and the subject themselves), it seems fit to add a footnote clarifying this like virtually every other article pointing out potential discrepancies in information or adding context to a point. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 05:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should the cover art have the Katy Perry - Teenage Dream text?

Just wondering what everyone’s opinions about it are. Friendlyhelper9949 (talk) 07:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. The support !votes were policy backed with page views. I see consensus to move. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 20:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per pageviews. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC) (edited 02:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)) — Relisting. ASUKITE 14:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please link these stats for proof? Without that, I'm inclined to think the title track is at least as prominent as the album, and hesitate to call this the primary topic. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just did. I did not do that before because I tried copying the bare URL instead of using the permalink button. (The URL contained vertical bars that broke the link syntax.) JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 03:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and after assessing it, I'll give my support for moving the page. The album's track of the same name is the only thing that gets even a quarter as many views. Neither of the other listed topics seem to be nearly as well known. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Pageviews aren't high enough compared to the song itself to convince me there's a primary topic here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:22, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm inclined to think the primary topic of 'Teenage dream' is something to do with Adolescence#Social development. But that is a different capitalisation and the article doesn't mention it. Searching JSTOR for Teenage dream, I can see there is a strong case that the results can be included in the article about adolescence. Svampesky (talk) 17:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Pop music, WikiProject Katy Perry, and WikiProject Sociology have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 14:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Notified WP Sociology per the last comment, in case their input helps ASUKITE 14:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per the discussion above between the nominator and SNUGGUMS on determining a primary topic that best aids reader navigation.--Yaksar (let's chat) 13:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose theres an album released prior to Katy's one titled Teenage Dream. Keep the title as it is. Mateusmatsuda (talk) 20:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being released after or before something has no relevance to whether it's the primary topic. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 21:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

still, I oppose the move. Mateusmatsuda (talk) 21:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - pageviews (monthly[8]) demonstrate that usage for the KP album is sufficient for WP:PT1. estar8806 (talk) ★ 14:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about your reasons, but I still agree that it should be treated as the main topic.

I'm of the opinion that an album takes priority over it's title track. RedPillBlues (talk) 08:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In some cases, title tracks are the primary topic rather than their albums (eg. "Have You Forgotten?" and Have You Forgotten? [album], "Hotel California" and Hotel California [album]). JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 13:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.