Talk:That Girl Lay Lay (TV series)

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Out the App

Futon has confirmed the title of the series premiere episode. It's titled "Out the App" (101)

Corrections

For S1: E12 it's Pyper Braun (with a Y, her Instagram and IMDb confirm this) and for S1: E13 it's Graydon (not Grandon). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.138.114.29 (talk) 01:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Netflix inclusion

Not sure how/if it should be implemented (I'd think similarly to Henry Danger#Broadcast or Total DramaRama#Broadcast), but That Girl Lay Lay appears to be coming to Netflix on January 21:

Any idea how/if this should go about?... Magitroopa (talk) 03:27, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, available on Netflix as of today ([1] [2])

Should the info be added in to the article?... Magitroopa (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've just added the information into the article using two of the Twitter links I mentioned in my above messages. At this point, seems best to include the information that it can be streamed there, but not sure if there's any additional cleanup necessary. Feel free to do so if needed. Magitroopa (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ain't That a Glitch

So, Zap2it lists the season 2 premiere as a single hour-long episode, just like the Danger Force season finale. I'm thinking we should probably do the same thing and list it as one, though maybe after it shows up on iTunes for further confirmation. BrickMaster02 (talk) 23:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. The discussion was not able to achieve a clear consensus in the course of 45 days. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:35, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– Now that Alaya High has an article, That Girl Lay Lay should be a primary redirect to it. The TV series is named after her, not the other way around. 162 etc. (talk) 21:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 13:32, 23 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 18:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Disambiguation is unnecessary. We don't disambiguate just for the sake of it. It's pointless. It only happens when there are two or more articles with the same name, most noticeably in television, but other things as well. For example, The Good Doctor (TV series), The Good Doctor (1939 film), The Good Doctor (2011 film). That's not the case here. The only way we would disambiguate this article as such is if Alaya High were moved to That Girl Lay Lay, which honestly should happen as That Girl Lay Lay is the common name and what she goes by. If a TV series is named after someone, that is irrelevant. Amaury • 22:20, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, move would only be necessary if Alaya High is moved to That Girl Lay Lay – arguably, that should be part of this current move discussion, as it's likely that "That Girl Lay Lay" is her WP:COMMONNAME. But, absent that, leave things as they are. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to moving Alaya High to That Girl Lay Lay. 162 etc. (talk) 00:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support like Bones/Bones (TV series) the TV series is based on the girl's name so it may be reasonable for her to be primary and unlike Perth/Perth, Scotland the uses are closely related rather than 2 completely different places. The girl has 3,908 views but the TV series has 7,132[[3]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:59, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If Alaya High is not moved to That Girl Lay Lay, this is basically a WP:ONEOTHER situation, which I feel would be best handled with a hatnote link to Alaya High. FWIW. Also, even if that is the solution, I would advocating creating That Girl Lay Lay (TV series) as a redirect. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:42, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging article creator @IntellectualChristianWikiUser: Any objections to moving the article from Alaya High to That Girl Lay Lay? 162 etc. (talk) 22:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Crouch, Swale: do you have a guideline link for that "closely related" thing you mention? Ordinarily I've thought arguments like that aren't given much sway. For example How to Train Your Dragon is the media franchise while the original books are How to Train Your Dragon (novel series), yet those are fairly closely related. IMHO the primary topic should be assessed independently, and readers are ager the TV series more than the girl. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 13:46, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: WP:DABCONCEPT and or long-term significance. This isn't like Boston where the places are on completely different parts of the planet and only share the same name the meanings are somewhat conceptual. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak supportAfter doing a search I find that her social media does go by That Girl Lay Lay while very few searches do support just going by Alaya HighMagical Golden Whip (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So, to be clear, you support moving Alaya High → That Girl Lay Lay, and thus the TV series to That Girl Lay Lay (TV series)? It's not totally clear from your comment. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move Alaya High to That Girl Lay Lay. Shwcz (talk) 20:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – robertsky (talk) 05:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Given that there is some consensus to move a previously untargeted page, Alaya High, I have reformatted the discussion to include it into the discussion. An extended duration for discussion is applied as Alaya High page is a relatively highly trafficked one. – robertsky (talk) 13:32, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To get the ball rolling here, I will support moving Alaya High → That Girl Lay Lay and That Girl Lay Lay → That Girl Lay Lay (TV series). But I reserve the right to change my mind again, based on new evidence. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:38, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all. The article on Alaya states that she is best known for appearing in the show, and the page views for the show exceed those of the person by approaching 2:1. As such, I think the show is primary topic in a WP:TWODABS situation. Also per WP:NATURALDIS, it's best to keep Alaya's article at her regular name (rather than, say, the more clunky That Girl Lay Lay (actress)). (Also, being named after something has never been a reason to favour the "original" topic; see, for example, Boston and Boston, Lincolnshire). — Amakuru (talk) 12:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NATURAL isn't used when it comes to peoples' names. WP:STAGENAME is the relevant naming convention, which asks us to use the most common name, even if it isn't the birth name. And "That Girl Lay Lay" is her common name, as seen in reliable sources [4] [5] [6] [7]. She is also credited as "That Girl Lay Lay" for her feature on Dillon Francis' 2019 single "Catchy Song" [8] [9], as well as her own albums Tha Cheat Code and Lil Big Dripper [10]. As you stated above, That Girl Lay Lay (actress) is awkward; I'm struggling to find an example of a real-life person on Wikipedia who does not have primary topic status ahead of a TV show named after them. 162 etc. (talk) 18:06, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We could leave the same. It is a little confusing if looking for the show or the actress. I got an idea. Maybe add this. . It may help. Cwater1 (talk) 01:55, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Packer Packer Bowl

Seems like season 2 got extended to an unknown number of episodes (I'm guessing either 20 or 26) since that would be the 14th episode of season 2, as Ain't That a Glitch was a two part special. Guess we'll find out once Futon updates. Colgatepony234 (talk) 18:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shows A-Z - that girl lay lay on nickelodeon | TheFutonCritic.com Cwater1 (talk) 16:46, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the series did got extended. Look like last episode for season 2 is named Judge Lay Lay according to the wikia page about season 2 Season 2 | That Girl Lay Lay Wiki | Fandom Cwater1 (talk) 16:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 August 2023

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The result of the move request was: That Girl Lay Lay moved to That Girl Lay Lay (TV series). There is no consensus primary topic for That Girl Lay Lay, which means we must disambiguate that title. I always have trouble with the idea that on Monday a TV series can be the primary topic for a title, and on Tuesday the actress star of that series auto-magically transforms into the primary topic. What major event happened to cause this instant transformation? Give it some time, then revisit with a new RM. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:54, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– First proposed last year; no consensus. The main argument against this at that time was pageviews; however, over the last 6 months, the TV series is a clear second in this respect[11]. I'll again note that it's rather nonsensical for the TV series to be primary topic ahead of the person it's named for. 162 etc. (talk) 19:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – Material Works 23:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Last six months is irrelevant. And as before, if a series is named after someone, that is irrelevant. Lifetime views are what matter: [12]. That Girl Lay Lay is at 372,904 views compared to Alaya High's 176,022 views, which is roughly a 47% difference. The TV series is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. Previously, I supported these moves, but now I support leaving this one as is and Alaya High → That Girl Lay Lay (actress). Amaury • 20:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incredibly misleading to cite "lifetime views" when the Alaya High was created a full year later than the TV series article. If we adjust the date ranges to only when both articles existed, Alaya High has the most views.[13] Also important to note here that pageviews are only one element of WP:DPT. 162 etc. (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support 1st, oppose 2nd - If anything, this is a WP:NOPRIMARY situation. The only similar I can think of is Roseanne, which has natural disambiguation with Roseanne Barr. However, that seemingly cannot be accomplished here so the second should probably be moved to That Girl Lay Lay (rapper) (or some other disambiguator).

I would also point out that pageviews are not the only factor in determining a primary topic. And in any case, the difference between the two has been under 10k per month with only one exception (March 2023). [14] Long story short, neither article has a strong enough case to be the primary topic. estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:20, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support 1st and disambiguate, no primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If disambiguation is done on anything, not just here, we only disambiguate when there are two or more articles with the same name. If we're supporting the first option, but opposing the second option, that means leaving the actress article at Alaya High, in which case there is no need for disambiguation at all since there are two articles with completely different names. We don't disambiguate just for the sake of it. That's even worse than the current proposal. Although even putting the primary topic issue aside, the actress article should be at That Girl Lay Lay, regardless of whether or not it's followed by "(actress)." That is her WP:COMMONNAME. She is not known by Alaya High. It's the same as the Ice Cube article being named that rather than his actual name since he's known as Ice Cube. Or Zendaya being named that rather than Zendaya Coleman. Amaury • 05:09, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: She is Just known as That Girl Lay Lay. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 18:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Television has been notified of this discussion. – Material Works 23:17, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose all. I don't think usage of the moniker "That Girl Lay Lay" exceeds use of her actual name in sources sufficiently for us to consider using the stage name over titling her as other bios would be. Furthermore, the present arrangement satisfies WP:NATURALDIS in both cases and there really isn't a strong case for moving away from this. — Amakuru (talk) 22:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NATURAL isn't used for peoples' names. WP:STAGENAME is the naming convention, which states that "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title". Now, it's true that RS will often use both "Alaya High" and "That Girl Lay Lay" to refer to her (see this recent cover of The Hollywood Reporter, which uses Alaya "That Girl Lay Lay" High, for example.) What I'm not buying is that the TV series is the primary topic - at the very least, this is a WP:TWODABS situation. See WP:ASTONISH. 162 etc. (talk) 17:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's no reason why NATURAL shouldn't apply to someone's name. Obviously it depends on usage like any other scenario, but certainly her name is a strong contender to be the article title. We use stage names where they're overwhelmingly the COMMONNAME, but that isn't so much the case here. — Amakuru (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support 1st, move 2nd to That Girl Lay Lay (rapper). "That Girl Lay Lay" seems to be the individual's WP:COMMONNAME across sources; some sources use "Alaya High" or just "Lay Lay", but more recent sources seem to prefer the full "That Girl Lay Lay." However, given the comparable pageview levels achieved by both topics, I think there's WP:NOPRIMARY here. I prefer "(rapper)" over "(actress)" as a DAB but would accept either. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This seems like a case where WP:NATURALDIS and using her real name is preferable to any sort of disambiguator like this. She's a rapper, but also an actress and singer, so there's a WP:RECOGNIZE issue — Amakuru (talk) 19:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all No doesn’t make sense as it is different topicsWinnie Fredrick (talk) 18:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]