Talk:The Catch (baseball)

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Endy Chavez[edit]

I do not think Endy Chavez's catch deserves a place on this page. It's definitely not "the catch," and we can't list every time an outfielder caught a baseball. I think it should be removed.

I agree, maybe there should be a separate article for the chavez catch —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 04:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
The Mets ended up losing that game and thus the NLCS, so that catch really has very little significance. Wahkeenah 12:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the Chavez content (WP:BOLD). I noticed that it was the contribution of one anonymous editor, but hasn't really been expanded by anybody else. --Madchester 18:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge with 1954 World Series?[edit]

Shouldn't this be two seperate entries? User:MrCalifornia 22:26, 29 September 2004 (UTC)

Yes User:Gareth Owen 06:14, 30 September 2004 (UTC)

No reason given for merge. User:Jacobolus 04:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Oppose "The Catch" is famous in it's own right, like Babe Ruth's Called Shot, and the Shot Heard 'Round the World, and should have its own article. Much have been written about these 3 famous plays, and are more notable than many other articles in wikipedia --rogerd 04:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose "The Catch" is more famous than the rest of that world series, and is part of American popular culture. It deserves its own article. Incidentally, if there's no reason given for the merge, could someone please remove the tags. I did, but they were re-added with no rationale given. --jacobolus (t) 04:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep it separate Like the 1932 and 1951 events, it is the defining moment of that season. And regarding no rationale having been given to the contrary, keep in mind that oftimes rationale "don't enter into it". Wahkeenah 12:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Second thought the World Series article is not overly large, and some of the informaiton overlaps, so a merger and a redirect from this one shouldn't make the Series article unwieldy.
  • Oppose. The Catch is bigger than the 1954 World Series.
  • Merge I'm astonished to learn that there's an entire article devoted to one play. Insane. Regarding "The Shot Heard Round the World"--that was not in a world series game, but the 1951 three-game playoff between the Giants and Dodgers to decide the National League championship. To my knowledge, there is no entry for that playoff series. I think it's real craziness to maintain separate articles for a playoff series and particular events within that same playoff series. Vidor 19:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as is. The Catch is the greatest fielding play of all time.--Mike Selinker 08:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually, Willie himself disagrees on that. But it's certainly among the most famous fielding plays, if not the most famous. Wahkeenah 13:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I think that The Catch definitely deserves it's own page. It is much more important than the 1954 World Series. If any of the articles stand it should be this one. --Rocket Red

Otis Nixon[edit]

If we're mentioning all legendary baseball catches, then Otis Nixon's catch on July 25, 1992 needs mention. If you mention the moniker "The Catch" to true Braves fans, this catch is the first and only thing they'll think of. Nixon scaled a roughly 9 foot outfield wall to rob Andy Van Slyke of a home run. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 22:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

  • That was probably not a play that turned a World Series. Wahkeenah 23:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Neither was Endy Chavez's. His was during the NLCS and the Mets lost that game and that series. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 15:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

450 feet?[edit]

If we see the pic, does it really look like the estimate of "450 feet" is an exaggeration? Is there a citation for the claim that it's an exaggeration? -- Sholom 13:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

  • The authors of the original "Encyclopedia of Baseball", ca. 1950, put a tape measure to it and came up with something like 425 feet to the corner of the runway. Aerial photographs and blueprints also confirm this. The photo makes that corner look closer to the 483 mark, which really is an "optical illusion" caused by the "scrunching" effect of the telephoto lens. And if you think about it, the far left and right center corners were posted at about 450, so simple geometry would tell you that the almost-straightaway bleacher corners should be less than 450. Wahkeenah 01:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

In lieu of uploading the 1950 diagram for now, I direct interested parties to this site [1] which makes it clear that (1) the two rounded corners were less than 460 from the plate, thus it is not geometrically possible for the straightaway corner to be as much as 460; and (2) it is clear the runway is 50-60 feet deep, which puts the front corner in the 415-430 range, which is also what the 1951 book shows, and which aerial photographs confirm. Also, keep in mind that you had Brickhouse saying "about 460", based on nothing except the same visual perspective distortion that misleads people when they see the photos of this play... namely, that the front corner "seems" closer to the 483 sign than it really is. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Another Famous Quote[edit]

Good to see the Don Liddle "I got my man out," quip. There's another good quote that maybe someone can verify. One of the key Dusty Rhodes home runs just made it inside a 251-foot foul pole, which caused Al Lopez to say that his team got beat by the shortest homer and the longest out. WHPratt (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Actually, some accounts say that it just caught an overhanging part of the upper deck, and may have gone less than 250 feet, so that it was really a very lucky pop fly. WHPratt (talk) 19:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

The overhang was in left field.[2] The right field upper deck was plumb with the wall.[3]Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's the quote. It's Indians' manager Al Lopez.
"Well, we were beaten by the longest out and the shortest homer of the year."
Lewiston (Maine) Evening Journal, 28 Sep 1954
Found in a Google search. WHPratt (talk) 22:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Confusing text[edit]

"Doby, the runner on second, might have been able to score the go-ahead run had he tagged at the moment the ball was caught; as it was, he ran when the ball was hit, then had to scramble back to retag and only got as far as third base."

Reading "had to scramble back" and then "only got as far as third base" plants the suggestion that Doby got doubled off at second, which was not the case. I'd suggest wording such as ...

"Doby, the runner on second, might have been able to score the go-ahead run had he tagged at the moment the ball was caught. However, having run when the ball was hit, he had time only to retag and then advance to third."

WHPratt (talk) 17:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC)