Talk:Ti-Grace Atkinson

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Loose Notes[edit]

I don't know enough to start writing this, but here's a starting point for someone's research:

  • I'm pretty sure that her birth name was Grace and that Ti-Grace was a play on "tigress".
    Copied below for separate comment w/o disrupting the signed contrib.--Jerzyt 17:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Early prominent member of National Organization for Women, elected president of its New York chapter 1967; not sure if she's one of the 20-odd counted as a founder, and their site doesn't list their founders.
  • Left NOW 1969 to become a founder of The Feminists, a relatively short-lived, very radical feminist group.
  • By early 1971 she was specifically advocating political lesbianism.
  • Has written several books, article should include a list of these. Amazon Odyssey (1974).

-- Jmabel | Talk 06:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Her name[edit]

_ _ I distinctly recall (not just "pretty sure") reading in Time magazine, before 1970, an article that more or less announced (i.e., my wording) "there's something new called feminism" and "one of its leaders is Ti-Grace Atkinson", that said Ti-Grace was what she was called, by her family or during childhood in general, and that it derived from "petit Grace". I don't recall if there was another Grace in her circle, nor whether "Ti-" (or was it "ti-" or " 'ti-"?) was a widely used Louisiana or New Orleans prefix (as [1] suggests in her context).
_ _ This is consistent with "tigress" reflecting her

liking the pun, and creating misunderstandings by mentioning it, or
intentionally misleading a reporter she disliked to embarrass them, or
becoming embarrassed about the unpowerful sound of "little Grace" and either lying about, or being selective in talking about, her name.

IMO we need more info before restoring a version of

She changed her name to Ti-Grace in reference to the name for a female tiger, a tigress.

to the article.
--Jerzyt 17:48 & 18:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

She didn't "change her name." She has had the name since childhood. You reveal your utter ignorance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.34.219 (talk) 14:29, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

"Ti-Grace" is a perfectly ordinary thing to call a child named Grace in Louisiana. The "Ti" is a contraction for "petite." It was not her family's invention and reflects no embarrassment about anything. The "Ti" is generally dropped when one grows older, but Ms. Atkinson liked it and kept it.Colin McLarty (talk) 21:51, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

People who weren't alive then don't have any business commenting about her name. Atkinson has had her name since childhood. It was Newsweek that had a 1970 article about the women's movement and Ti-Grace was one of the women profiled in the article. SN 15 September 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.34.219 (talk) 14:27, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

I pulled out the bit about petite/tite. To the best of my knowledge (I'm not Cadien) the use of Ti- in front of names is standard in Cadien French for both genders. If so, that would make the "petite/tite" aside irrelevant to the topic. Perhaps a native speaker of Cadien French could lend a more authoritative opinion. In any case, the whole issue seems beside the point for this entry. Laodah 18:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Leaving NOW[edit]

I changed "defected" to "resigned in protest" because defected makes a value judgment. Also, Amazon Odyssey includes a press release she wrote about it, and she said she was resigning because she thought NOW was become too hierarchical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.10.248.26 (talkcontribs) 2 Jan 2006

  • Good. And it would be even better if you would give the specific citation. - Jmabel | Talk 02:50, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
  • _ _ Uh,
defect
to leave without consent or permission an allegiance which one had formerly espoused or acknowledged
does not carry the value judgement of "traitor" or "sellout", or it would not be used by anti-Communists in praising for someone for defecting from a Communist entity.
_ _ More to the point, "in protest" as opposed to "protested and resigned" is unsupported by the evidence cited: in encyclopedic contexts, "resigning in protest" does not occur when
leaving a group to put your energies into something else, and saying you've done so
but only when
protesting (making a splash to alert others to a problem) is the main purpose of your departure.
I'm substituting factual language based on the evidence so far; anyone who knows more about what occured can give us evidence of further details.
--Jerzyt 17:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Daughters of Bilitis[edit]

She's cited as being a member of the New York Chapter in the book From the Closet to the Courts by Ruth Simpson, a former President of DOB NY.


I see that there is a request for citation on her being a member of the Daughters of Bilitis (a claim that someone, not me, added). I'm not sure about her being a member of the Daughters of Bilitis, but Queer Heritage - A Timeline - The Seventies, which seems well-researched, says that on January 3, 1971, "Ti-Grace Atkinson advocates political lesbianism -- a total and exclusive commitment to women that may or may not include sex -at a Daughters of Bilitis New York meeting." So she at least addressed them. - Jmabel | Talk 07:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Affair with Joseph Colombo[edit]

Somebody needs to write about her alleged affair with mobster Joseph Colombo (who had a wife and another mistress), which seriously damaged her reputation in the feminist movement. She writes about Colombo in her book Amazon Odyssey, and it is mentioned in Marcia Cohen's excellent The Sisterhood (pages 200-201).--Susan Nunes 22 February 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.228.62.184 (talk) 01:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Philosophy[edit]

I was a little surprised that there's no mention of Ti-Grace's background in philosophy in this entry. At some point (prior to founding The Femininists?) she entered Columbia as a PhD student with a focus in philosophical logic and Frege in particular. She apparently did not receive the degree, as indicated on her faculty page at Tufts (where she was teaching several years ago). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Mohen (talkcontribs) 13:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Why so little info?[edit]

This woman was a formative figure in the early history of modern feminism, and THIS is all anyone can come up with on her? Did she fall off the world in 1974? In the information age, how does a woman of Ti-Grace Atkinson's stature become an unperson? Surely somebody has some sources on what she did and what happened to her between '74 and today. 70.112.235.28 (talk) 22:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Valerie Solonas[edit]

Why is there no mention of her support for Valerie Solonas and her book S.C.U.M.(Society for Cutting Up Men) Manifesto? Bumblebritches57 (talk) 20:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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Encounter with Patricia Bozell at CUA in 1971[edit]

A mention of the encounter between Atkinson and Bozell was removed awhile ago. It is present in the article for Patricia Bozell. Would anyone object to its inclusion here again with proper sourcing? Sephiroth9611 (talk) 16:50, 4 January 2019 (UTC)