Talk:Tom Lehrer

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Australian Tour[edit]

No mention of his Australian Tour, where the local Scout Association attempted to ban him performing "Be Prepared". 61.68.69.206 (talk) 08:18, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Excellent suggestion -- summary duly added to the chronology. [And, happy 89th birthday today to "our goodman" TL.] James Alien Woods (talk) 01:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Addressing "citations needed" plus other Tom Lehrer trivia[edit]

Note: I am new to Wikipedia editing, but have loosely collaborated and corresponded with Prof. Lehrer. Here is some blank-filling -- if a seasoned editor wants to run with this before I can read a "Dummies" book on Wikipedia editing, then that's fine.

  • "In 1960, Lehrer returned to full-time studies at Harvard," [citation needed]
  • "Resident songwriter [...] (TW3), a satirical television show:" [citation needed]
    • Much discussion of this occurs in musicologist Barry "Dr. Demento" Hansen's "Too Many Facts About Tom Lehrer" in the notes to CD box set "The Remains of Tom Lehrer". Now I see this is footnote [20], so that's an easy substitution.
  • "Kit and the Widow" [citation needed]
    • This is already underlined as a Wikipedia cross-link that mentions both, so maybe this "citation needed" flag can just be elided.
  • "in Sweden, but was quite popular and still has cult status." [citation needed]
  • "Nacha Guevara sang Spanish versions of several Lehrer's songs for the show/live album "Este es el año que es".[43] [better source needed]

Lastly I'd like to add a line in the section below his math paper citations about his Erdös number (4), together with his extraordinarily low EBS (Erdos/Bacon/Sabbath number) of 9, viz. http://erdosbaconsabbath.com James Alien Woods (talk) 03:32, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

I have not examined your proposals, but my suggestion would be try adding one of them yourself. A reference needs to satisfy WP:RS which means blogs and the like are not considered to be reliable unless by an acknowledged expert in the field. Don't worry about the formatting because someone will clean it up. For a reference, just put the information in brackets where it belongs, and again someone will clean it. I formatted your message. Johnuniq (talk) 03:50, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions. I edited away the "citations needed" with germane references. I also noticed that when adding the footnote to paragraph 8 in "Musical Legacy" about Lars Ekborg, the entire paragraph is exactly the same as the one in Encyclopedia Astronautica. If originally from there, I do not know whether that is considered "fair use", and for all I know perhaps that article is derivative of Wikipedia. I defer to seasoned editors about how to handle such. James Alien Woods (talk) 05:57, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Copyright violations are very strictly prohibited and text copied from from another source should be removed. Editors who attempt to add such material after warnings are routinely blocked. However, the situation can be complicated because a lot of websites copy text from Wikipedia so determining who has done what can be tricky. The text at http://www.astronautix.com/l/lehrer.html mentions Wikipedia, and the format of the article almost guarantees that it was copied from here—very definitely derivative. That means the website cannot be used as a reference for an article because the result would be what is sometimes called "circular referencing". The rule is that references must satisfy WP:RS. Questions about the use of a particular source for a particular claim can be asked at the noticeboard (WP:RSN). Johnuniq (talk) 06:41, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I just reverted that addition for the same reason (before seeing this discussion). That said, the others are definitely improvements over having no citation at all - thanks for your work on this, James Alien Woods! Regards, HaeB (talk) 06:05, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Followup -- I came here originally to edit in a single line about the intersection of Lehrer, mathematics, and popular culture (the links between collaborations in science and theatrical performance via the Erdős–Bacon number), but (unexpectedly to me) it seemed controversial after studying Wikipedia history, at least until last week when Wikipedia adjudicated that a deletion request for the cited article should not be granted. I notice that in 2011 within the Lehrer article a reference to Erdös and/or Bacon number was deleted as trivia. I can respect the evaluation, and note there were indeed Lehrer trivia sections in the past here. But even though it's now considered non-trivial, I just added a reference in "external links" instead of to the article proper in case of lingering feelings. I suppose the ref can also go into the Popular Culture section, since that's what the collaboration distance game involves, and Lehrer is very notable in this department. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Alien Woods (talkcontribs) 22:11, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh yes, along the way I've tried to systematically address the concerns registered in a "GA review" about lack of citations. The only "citation needed" left is the last two sentences of Musical Legacy paragraph #8, having provided a cite to the first part about Ekborg's liner notes. I note that this para was added on December 15, 2013 by some IP address, but it was correctly flagged with "cite needed" even though it was "probably true" (at Dec 15, 2013, 13:49). I've stared at enough translations from the Swedish to give up on finding a citation (verifiable of not), so if no one here minds, I'll just delete those two sentences, not taking away from this gist of the first part I hope. Lastly for now, thanx for all the encouragement to a newbie. James Alien Woods (talk) 22:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

elements[edit]

... "The Elements", which lists the periodic table ...

Er, no. The periodic table is a specific arrangement of the chemical elements. The song arranges them more randomly. I haven't quite decided how to change it. —Tamfang (talk) 06:39, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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