Talk:Tony McCoy

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2006 post[edit]

Does anyone know if Tony McCoy is married?

Yes --Davebesag 04:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/6131856.stm

Page Title[edit]

On 20th December 2006, when this article was entitled "A. P. McCoy", I asked:

"Am I alone in preferring the title "Tony McCoy" to "A. P. McCoy"?"

I called for a vote to decide whether it should be reverted to the original title. This closed at 12pm GMT on 1st January 2007, and the result was six votes for "Tony McCoy" and one vote for "A. P. McCoy". On the basis of this, the title has been reverted to Tony McCoy.

The votes cast are listed below. Thank you to everyone who responded. -- Zafonic 12:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

In favour of "Tony McCoy"[edit]

In favour of "A. P. McCoy"[edit]


Perhaps I should've proposed a move rather than just doing it but I'd just read his autobiography, in which he says his friends know him as AP, and I thought, he's always interviewed as AP, it's always been his race card name, it should probably be his article name. DavyJonesLocker 23:18, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just found this: WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY, which pretty much says decisions shouldn't be made by voting. I just wondered if people could say why they actually want the move? DavyJonesLocker 18:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't have any dogmatic views but I'd go for Tony, rather than AP, on the grounds that he is generally known by that name to the general public. Your comments above do give some fairly valid reasons for AP though. I've tried to think of a similar case - Frankie Dettori, always known by that name despite the racecard L for Lanfranco. Frankie I guess though is generally as Frankie to everyone, friends and public alike. Bcp67 21:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Although I agree that he is regularly referred to as "A. P. McCoy", usually when he's mentioned outside of racing circles it's "Tony". I've had a quick look through some BBC bits and pieces, such as Q&A and Jockey Profiles and their headlines mention "Tony McCoy", with his "AP" nickname referred to within the articles. I think we should do the same here. As for the vote, I think it is valid, if a bit unconventional, and if it finishes as clear cut as it looks at the moment, it should not be dismissed. -- Zafonic 21:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I've ran a Google search, and Tony McCoy returns more than AP, so I'll not contest the move. DavyJonesLocker 22:24, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Just watched a BBC question of sport tonight and under AP's name was AP McCoy and not Tony. I therefore propose that this article is moved to AP McCoy and the redirect be put here to direct people there. Hope that makes sense. BTW I have no idea how to do that! Bjmullan (talk) 20:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Please note that this discussion ended some time ago (2006). A new requested moves discussion would need to be started before any such change could take place. Also be advised that a single tv programme is not a solid foundation for any such proposal. wjematherbigissue 21:39, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Northern Irish or Irish[edit]

I just reverted the change made by DerryBoi where he changed "an Northern Irish horse jockey" to "a Irish horse jockey". Being born in Northern Ireland he is thus Northern Irish. The word Irish on its own implies that he is from the Republic of Ireland. If he claims that being from the island of Ireland he should be stated as Irish, then all people listed as Scottish, English or Welsh will need to be changed to Great British seeing as thats the island they are from. Mabuska 22:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

You need to read the Good Friday Agreement, Mabuska. Citizens of Northern Ireland have the right to be Irish, British or both. There is no mention of this artificial 'Northern Irish' identity. Tony McCoy is Irish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.3.70 (talk) 19:15, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of the Good Friday Agreement, just because Northern Irish citizens have a right to be British, Irish or both (in the same way that people born in Guernsey can opt to play for any of the Home Nations in football!) you have to be British to be awarded the MBE or be SPOTY. 80.42.162.80 (talk) 11:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The article links to Irish people which is a very common way of describing people from both the north and south of Ireland on Wikipedia. For other examples see Bob Geldof KBE and Barry McGuigan MBE and passed SPOTY winner. Bjmullan (talk) 13:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Terrible logic. Geldof was Irish and given a Honarary honours because he wasn't British. McGuigan was able to recieve a British honour and win SPOTY because he applied for and got British citizenship. There is no ambiguity here - McCoy can't be classed as Irish because be was born in the UK, competes for the British Jump Jockey championship and has British honours unlike, say, Ruby Walsh who is Irish and competes for the Irish Jump Jockey championship and can't recieve full UK honours only honorary ones! McCoy's on Twitter, can't someone twit him and ask the man himself??? You could then say it is straight from the horses mouth, ho ho!!! 80.42.165.89 (talk) 14:53, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not getting involved in McCoy's nationality but the issue of the jump jockeys title is irrelevant to this debate - the title is won by the jockey who has won most races in either Britain or Ireland, regardless of their nationality. If Ruby Walsh rode enough winners in this country to beat McCoy's total he would be the winner of the British jump jockey's championship and if Richard Johnson (for the sake of argument) moved to Ireland and rode regularly there he could win the Irish title despite being English. For example, see the championships won by Jonjo O'Neill, Tommy Stack and Ron Barry in the 1970s - all Irish beyond question but all winners of the British title.--Bcp67 (talk) 15:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Click on the link, it is to Irish People nothing to do with nationality but ethnicity. People from NI can have both nationalities. Bjmullan (talk) 16:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as Northern Ireland isn't independant & is a part of the United Kingdom (which is independant), McCoy is British. GoodDay (talk) 22:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Ryan Giggs is described as "Welsh" on Wikipedia, so it appears there is no problem with using a "non independent" region of the UK as a nationality. Rory McIlroy is also referred to as Northern Irish. I have changed "Irish" to "Northern Irish", given that he is from Northern Ireland, and so regardless of his views on the Good Friday Agreement (although his OBE and SPOTY would suggest British) the sentence is factually correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.135.31.115 (talk) 14:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Wiki sorting[edit]

According to Wikipedia for sorting purposes all surnames staring with Mc, O', etc. should be sorted as Mac or O for sorting purposes; i.e. McGuinness becomes Macguinness, McCoy becomes Maccoy and Eugene O'Neill is Eugene Oneill. See Martin McGuinness' edit page for yourself/yourselves for note from sorter. 216.194.0.167 20:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Tony or A. P.[edit]

This page has been moved back to "A. P. " rather than "Tony". There was a discussion on this page a few years back (see above) which came down in favour of Tony, and I think it needs re-visiting again now by the look of it - I still favour Tony personally. Anyone out there got any more thoughts?--Bcp67 (talk) 05:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Clearly a controversial move that should not have been done without discussion. Should be moved back. wjematherbigissue 21:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
And done. wjematherbigissue 21:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Clearly his BBC Sports Personality award has put him in the public eye of late. In this show he was consistently referred to as A.P. so perhaps he himself prefers this form, but it is true that he used to be more commonly called Tony. 90.197.38.43 (talk) 23:49, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Retirement[edit]

He has just ridden his last race (Sandown, 25 April 2015). There's some serious updating needed to this entry. And I have to say that NOBODY in all these hours of chat and articles about him has called him anything other than AP.PhilomenaO'M (talk) 16:01, 25 April 2015 (UTC)