Talk:United Federation of Planets
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members of the Federation
As members of the Federation, the article lists a number of species as opposed to a list of planets or states. Not only the great majority of semi-canon sources cite a list of planet as members of the Federation, but also the mere idea of membership for secies is frankly unlikely, as the citizienship of a person arguably depends upon his/her citizienship of a member state and not upon his/her species of birth.
For example: Worf is likely a Federation citizen (adopted by federation citizens and serving for years in Starfleet), while the humans living on the worlds gave by the Federation to the Cardassian Union/Empire in "Voyage's End" are not. Gbnogkfs 16 August 2006, 10:53 (UT)
A list of member worlds, without context, references, or links to articles with expansion, seems a bit too in-universe and trivial. I've removed it. (Alas, yes, most of the article itself lacks context, references and is in-universe and trivia-laden.) --EEMIV (talk) 16:35, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- How else will the visitors to Wikipedia know about which planets are in the United Federation of Planets? Rtkat3 (talk) 12:31, December 17 2012 (UTC)
Added Government Information from Star Trek Movies and the Star Trek Wiki, it seems silly without it. --Commonwealth Historian 06:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commonwealth3 (talk • contribs)
Languages in the infobox
The info box currently lists "english" "french" and "various human languages" as "Official language(s)" Besides the questions of whether using that type of info box for a fictional orginization on an encyclopedia is approprate and if the fictional orginization even has an offical language, I have this question: Why give French special treatment, English makes sense as it is the language spoken in the show, the only reason French is listed is that one character in one show of the fictional universe uses it. I would advocate for either "none" or removing French from the list of "Official language(s)" CombatWombat42 (talk) 20:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Never noticed this in the infobox. I can't recall anything broadcast, screened, or printed that indicates an "official language" for
Star Trekthe UFP (well, perhaps some 70s Franz Joseph-ish references). I suggest removing all items from that field. --EEMIV (talk) 21:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
The paragraph under “President” contains a link to an episode of DSP entitled “Extreme Measures.” The current link goes to the movie by the same name. The correct URL should be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_Measures_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia "Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights"
That the exact opposite of Star Trek. Capitalism is look at with contempt and there's no evidence of private property. This is seen on Deep Space Nine, which is not part of the federation and still has capitalism (Quark). But even there seem to be no "strong property rights". Only minor ones, but they have to serve the "state".
Also according to Wikipedia "Others, notably libertarian socialists, seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management. An additional line of division is between minarchists and anarchists. While minarchists think that a minimal centralized government is necessary, anarchists propose to completely eliminate the state."
The socialist part is correct, abolish capitalism is done deal and if there's private ownership it's only allowed "in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management".
However Star Trek has a very big, strong government. Everything is controlled and owned by the Government it seems; So "no government or small government"? Big no.
Star Trek is more the opposite of libertarianism
According to Wikipedia "The term libertarianism originally referred to a philosophical belief in free will but later became associated with anti-state socialism"
Anti-state socialism? Star Trek is all about the state and the distribution of wealth (aka socialsm).
Star Trek is a form Democratic Socialism or Democratic Trotskism with Leninist-Marxist & (early 20th century, not the current false meaning, but those from the 1920-30 that were the seen as foundation of FDR's New Deal) Technocratic influences. (There are no real-life examples of this of form of government, so refrain from making comparisons with "socialist" countries. Also Star Trek is a post-scarcity society, unlike ours where resources are limited.