Talk:United Federation of Planets

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members of the Federation[edit]

As members of the Federation, the article lists a number of species as opposed to a list of planets or states. Not only the great majority of semi-canon sources cite a list of planet as members of the Federation, but also the mere idea of membership for secies is frankly unlikely, as the citizienship of a person arguably depends upon his/her citizienship of a member state and not upon his/her species of birth.

For example: Worf is likely a Federation citizen (adopted by federation citizens and serving for years in Starfleet), while the humans living on the worlds gave by the Federation to the Cardassian Union/Empire in "Voyage's End" are not. Gbnogkfs 16 August 2006, 10:53 (UT)

Languages in the infobox[edit]

The info box currently lists "english" "french" and "various human languages" as "Official language(s)" Besides the questions of whether using that type of info box for a fictional orginization on an encyclopedia is approprate and if the fictional orginization even has an offical language, I have this question: Why give French special treatment, English makes sense as it is the language spoken in the show, the only reason French is listed is that one character in one show of the fictional universe uses it. I would advocate for either "none" or removing French from the list of "Official language(s)" CombatWombat42 (talk) 20:25, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Never noticed this in the infobox. I can't recall anything broadcast, screened, or printed that indicates an "official language" for Star Trek the UFP (well, perhaps some 70s Franz Joseph-ish references). I suggest removing all items from that field. --EEMIV (talk) 21:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Agreed/ Dbrodbeck (talk) 22:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Done. --EEMIV (talk) 00:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Closed due to WP:NOTFORUMCombatWombat42 (talk) 18:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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I don't see how you can assume English is spoken in the show when they use automatic translators. Transcendence (talk) 00:56, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Ambassadors[edit]

Closed due to WP:NOTFORUMCombatWombat42 (talk) 18:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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Can someone explain, as part of this article on the Federation's political system, how the federation works politcally? How, for instance, does Vulcan have an ambassador to the federation? Does Kansas have an Ambassador in Washington DC, does Manitoba have a Ambassador in Ottawa, does Queensland have an Ambassador in Canberra? Avalon (talk) 09:18, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM, does the U.S. have an Ambassador to the U.N.? to NATO? CombatWombat42 (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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Libertarian?[edit]

According to Wikipedia "Some libertarians advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights"

That the exact opposite of Star Trek. Capitalism is look at with contempt and there's no evidence of private property. This is seen on Deep Space Nine, which is not part of the federation and still has capitalism (Quark). But even there seem to be no "strong property rights". Only minor ones, but they have to serve the "state".

Also according to Wikipedia "Others, notably libertarian socialists,[4] seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management.[5][6] An additional line of division is between minarchists and anarchists. While minarchists think that a minimal centralized government is necessary, anarchists propose to completely eliminate the state."

The socialist part is correct, abolish capitalism is done deal and if there's private ownership it's only allowed "in favor of their common or cooperative ownership and management".

However Star Trek has a very big, strong government. Everything is controlled and owned by the Government it seems; So "no government or small government"? Big no.

Star Trek is more the opposite of libertarianism

According to Wikipedia "The term libertarianism originally referred to a philosophical belief in free will but later became associated with anti-state socialism"

Anti-state socialism? Star Trek is all about the state and the distribution of wealth (aka socialsm).

Star Trek is a form Democratic Socialism or Democratic Trotskism with Leninist-Marxist & (early 20th century, not the current false meaning, but those from the 1920-30 that were the seen as foundation of FDR's New Deal) Technocratic influences. (There are no real-life examples of this of form of government, so refrain from making comparisons with "socialist" countries. Also Star Trek is a post-scarcity society, unlike ours where resources are limited.


78.23.197.184 (talk) 17:34, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced Date of Federation Charter[edit]

Under *depiction* someone snuck in a date that is unsourced:

′The Federation is founded under a document known as the Charter of the United Federation of Planets October 9, 2161, which is occasionally referred to informally as the "Constitution".′

2161 is sourceable in TNG:The Outcast and ENT: Zero Hour. But not the specific date.

There's an unseen prop made for TNG:Generations (magazine article) that suggested date of October 11th, 2161, but as it was never onscreen it is not canon.

There was no mention EVER of October 9th.

Recommend excision of speculated date and leave the year.

Kschang77 (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2016 (UTC)