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VLS

VLS is also the designation of brazilian rockets used to put sattelites in orbit. (Veículo Lançador de Satélites, Sattelite Launcher Vehicle). Should a disambiguation page be made?

MK 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS)

VLS MK 41 Canisters include- Canister Mk 13 SM-2 Block II and III, Canister Mk 14 Tomahawk, Canister Mk 15 VL-ASROC, Canister Mk 22 Sea Sparrow (RIM-7), Mk 25 Quad Pack Evolved Sea Sparrow (ESSM)

MK 57 Vertical Launching System (VLS)

The latest edition of the NAVAL INSTITUTE GUIDE TO WORLD NAVAL WEAPONS SYSTEMS, page 600 reports that that Standard Missiles can be quad-packed in the single Mk. 57 VLS cell which suggests that the 80 cells in the "Zumwalt" design can carry (in theory) a total of 320 Standard missiles. The Mk57 can handle and launch the same missiles/canisters as the Mk41. It can also physically accomonate future missile canisters of a slightly larger size.

VLS Sylver

VLS Sylver A 43 Aster 15, Sylver A 50 Aster 15 and Aster 30 or A 70 Scalp Naval cruise missilesN

VLS MK 48 and MK 56

Another VLS that you do not mention used by numerous navy's of the whole world is the Mk 48 associated with the Sea Sparrow Missile and his more evolved version the Mk 56 that the capacity of missiles doubles but in this case they are Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile. The Mk 48 this one composed by 8 cells mints that the Mk 56 is 16 cells.

World view

I have a slight unease with this article as it seems to over emphasise US achievements, and have pushed Russian ones to the bottom of the list, whilst it was the Soviet Navy, I think, that pioneered the use of VLS in surface ships.KTo288 23:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to track down some hard information on the Russian systems, but they seem to be specific to the missile they launch.--Two way time (talk) 05:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

World - China

The User parabellum101 changed the article in April '09, adding chinese Frigates 054, 054B and 054C to the list, which I removed. Reason being simply that the original Type 054 does not have any VLS system and Types 054B and C do not exist (or in chinese navy fanboy language "have not been confirmed yet"). 123.208.42.68 (talk) 11:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Coal-gas"? "Cold Gas"?

The article, as it stands at the moment, refers in three places to "coal-gas". I assume that "cold gas" is the correct term. "Coal gas" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gas) is a very different matter. Perhaps someone knowledgeable could add an explanation of what "cold gas" is. When the term "cold gas" is used, is this a reference to the class of propellent that is used in automobile airbags (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbag)? --Deicas 10:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)--Deicas 10:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It should be "Cold Gas" because the missiles are shot out of the launcher numatically and ignite outside the launcher. --Two way time (talk) 04:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External links:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk41-tactical.pdf

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk41-strike.pdf

Mk 57 System

Just thought I'd let you know that I added to your intro about the Zumwalt class destroyers using the newest Mk 57 VLS system, hope it helps. --Bismarck43 (talk) 01:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 13:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vertical launching system → vertical launch system — Relisted. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 12:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Launch" is the correct term as any sailor can tell you. A Google search reveals only 14k hits for "vertical launching system" and 500k for "vertical launch system". -Nard 22:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I presume you mean to move to Vertical launch system. Skinsmoke (talk) 09:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes of course. The first letter of the article should be capitalized per Wikipedia:Article_titles#Article_title_format. -Nard 23:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's called "Vertical Launching System" here and here. Are there sources for the proposed name? Jafeluv (talk) 03:54, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The tech manuals at work all use the term "vertical launch system". It's a shame I can't upload them because they're classified... -Nard 02:23, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support A quick Google search in English for Vertical launch system excluding Vertical launching system and Wikipedia produces 297,000 hits. A search for Vertical launching system excluding Vertical launch system and Wikipedia gives 36,900 hits. Looks like the proposer is correct, and that the sailors rule Google! Skinsmoke (talk) 06:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until better evidence is presented that the proposed title is more common. Raw Google hit counts are meaningless; what counts is usage in reliable sources. Ucucha 09:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's not a lot of press coverage of these systems. I can tell you the navy itself uses the term vertical launch system[1]. Unfortunately most of the "official" material is classified, there's not much I can do about that. -Nard 17:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Systems by Nations

Whats the point of adding 10 Navies(List is incomplete, only 5 is listed) that use MK-41? If someone is interested, he can go into "Mark 41 Vertical Launch System" and read it. Instead it should list systems "designed" by nations. for example US developed Mk-41 and Mk-57 cells, Russia developed SA-N-6, SA-N-9, P-700 etc. This article is for explaining what VLS is. Produced models can be listed, but its irrelevant if singapore navy uses Mk-41 or not.

PS a little history would be nice. I mean how the VLS was first developed, and why some systems still prefer not to use VLS. Thanks Andraxxus (talk) 23:03, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What? The Vertical Launching System of the Los Angeles-class submarines was not even mentioned!

What? The Vertical Launching System of the Los Angeles-class submarines was not even mentioned!

Furthermore, nearly all of the Los Angeles-class submarines have VLS for 12 Tomahawk cruise missiles that were BUILT IN to the boats in their shipyards. The earlier Los Angeles-class submarines only had four torpedo tubes for ALL of their armament: torpedoes, Harpoon missiles, mines, and Tomahawk missiles. At least the newer ones in Block 2 and Block 3 have more firepower from their 12 VLS tubes. Those Tomahawk missiles include Tomahawk antiship missiles (TASM) as well as Tomahawk land-attack missiles (TLAM). Then, once the 12 Tomahawks are gone (hypthetically) the Los Angeles-class submarines are left with just their four torpedo tubes and all their weapons.

The three Seawolf-class submarines do not have any VLS tubes, but the designers made up for that somewhat by giving them eight torpedo tubes, four to the port and four to the starboard.

I have added some mention of the VLS tubes in the modern Los Angeles-class submarines.98.67.168.208 (talk) 19:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What? The Vertical Launching Systems of the 14 Ohio-class submarines was not even mentioned!

What? The Vertical Launching Systems of the 14 Ohio-class submarines that carry the Trident D5 missiles was not even mentioned! Those include 24 storage & launch tubes for Trident missiles, the primary nuclear deterrent system of the United States now. [The U.S. still has a triad, but with many fewer Minuteman missiles and NO Peacemaker missiles (anymore), and a lot fewer manned strategic bombers: only the B-52H and just 20 B-2 bombers. All of the B-1 bombers have been disabled from carrying nuclear weapons, according to the START treaties.]

The American submarines that still go on deterrent patrols are these: USS Alabama, Alaska, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Nebraska, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, West Virginia, Wyoming, Henry M. Jackson. That's 336 vertical launch tubes for nuclear missiles - a lot, and probably a lot more than we need.98.67.168.208 (talk) 19:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the History of this weapon system?

Would it be possible for the Editors to include or make mention that the United States has been using Vertical Launch System since 1982? I came to this article looking for the date and I was surprised that no history of the weapon system is included in the article. I finally found it in the link to American Federation of Scientist. Thanks (I would do this myself but I am afraid I would just end up ruining the article) Magnum Serpentine (talk) 00:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ICBM's?

Can someone add information about cold-launched ICBM's? There are several Soviet/Russian models that use this method, as well as the now-defunct US Peacekeeper (MX) missile. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.129.15.199 (talk) 02:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Invention

Hello. It seems that someone has categorized and made it look like this is a Soviet/Russian invention without citing sources to the first known VLS system. In the absence of such these categories and references to such should be removed from this until proper sources are placed in. 107.129.161.249 (talk) 04:50, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BAVAR 373

BAVAR 373 is an Iranian-designed long-range mobile air defense system. This should be mentioned as another example because it will further contribute to the article. The system is a unique example of the feasibility of merging the eastern and western technologies together and creating something unique, that primarily aims to mitigate the inherent shortcomings of the two technologies. According to Anthony H. Cordesman, (the current Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies) and IHS Jane's 360, the system shows vertical, rectangular launch canister with details suggesting a hot launch system (as oppose to a cold lunch) which aims to address the limits of S300.

[1]: Iran's Rocket and Missile Forces and Strategic Options, By Anthony H. Cordesman (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nBeMBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=By+God%27s+grace+and+by+the+Iranian+engineers%27+efforts,+we+will+reach+self-sufficiency+in+this+regard&source=bl&ots=v1ibojhuaT&sig=K1_CYcMYeL-jYWkyAFbFycpUxZs&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=By%20God's%20grace%20and%20by%20the%20Iranian%20engineers'%20efforts%2C%20we%20will%20reach%20self-sufficiency%20in%20this%20regard&f=false)

[2]: IHS Jane's 360 (http://www.janes.com/article/63215/iran-unveils-bavar-373-long-range-air-defence-system)

[3]: Defence-blog.com (http://defence-blog.com/news/iran-unveils-new-bavar-373-long-range-mobile-air-defense-system.html)

[4]: The Iran project (http://theiranproject.com/blog/tag/iran-bavar-373-missile/)

[5]: Sputnik News (https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160821/1044484889/iran-missile-defense-system.html AND https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160823/1044540026/russia-iran-missile-defense.html)

[6]: Defense-Update.com (http://defense-update.com/20150419_bavar_373.html#.VTgD_aPLdoq)

Thanks, NuturalObserver (talk) 23:27, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sources/examples for revolver type launch systems

No sources or examples are provided for these. It'd be nice to have some to illustrate how these systems work. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trygogaf (talk • contribs) 19:40, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Diagrams

Is there any particular reason most of the page diagrams are from Russian-language sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.133.62.96 (talk) 11:45, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From other comments, I get the impression that a lot of the US sources are classified, even where the information is widely known. If the US is the main source for English-language information about this technology, but keeps it classified, Russian-language materials may be more readily available.

I checked the copyright notes on the "hot launch" diagram, and it permits re-use with attribution, so someone could translate the text and substitute an English-language version (or maybe a dual-language version.

If someone adds an automatic translation, it's probably a good idea to note that it's an automatic translation, as a warning that it's not necessarily accurate. That way if someone else can read both languages they can double-check the automatic translation, and either change the notation to say that the automatic translation was good, or correct it.

— Steve98052 (talk) 17:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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PVLS

Are the three ships with PVLS worth a mention here and if not where should PVLS link to? Hcobb (talk) 00:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

VLS launch diagram

The VLS launch diagram appears to be in Russian, this needs to be translated. Oceanic84 (talk) 17:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]