Talk:Victoria City Hall

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Requested move 12 February 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria City Hall, British Columbia → Victoria City Hall – No need to include the comma-province name and there is no disambiguation article titles named "Victoria City Hall". 2001:569:70DD:7500:39EA:19D8:DF90:EF4D (talk) 05:02, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:05, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@2001:569:70DD:7500:39EA:19D8:DF90:EF4D: But there are many other places named Victoria and similar. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:05, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Anthony Appleyard: There is no other articles named "Victoria City Hall". This article is a Canadian one and it doesn't need a comma-province name. 2001:569:70DD:7500:39EA:19D8:DF90:EF4D (talk) 05:46, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:26, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "British Columbia" is there to dab the city, not the hall. The germane issue here is not whether there are other "Victoria City Halls" or not — because there are other Victorias, the level of disambiguation has to stay at the same place as the city's main article regardless of whether this article has any of its own separate disambiguation conflicts or not. This is the same reason why we keep categories at the "Victoria, British Columbia" level regardless of whether any individual category conflicts with another category name or not — the related categories cannot flip back and forth between "Victoria, British Columbia" in some instances and undabbed "Victoria" in others, but must be consistent so that all of the categories name it the same way so that a user who isn't already familiar with all of the nodes in Victoria BC's category tree can accurately predict any given category's actual location. That's the same principle that has to pertain here: if the city has to be disambiguated (which it does), then that fact controls the level of disambiguation that is or isn't required here too. That said, I'm not convinced that this is the right form of the title — it should be "Victoria, British Columbia City Hall", "Victoria (British Columbia) City Hall" or "Victoria City Hall (British Columbia)", but in this case the comma-British-Columbia is in the wrong spot since it's the city, not the hall, that the comma-British-Columbia is there to disambiguate. Bearcat (talk) 15:19, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. as Bearcat says "British Columbia" is there to dab the city, not the hall. For example, "Victoria City Hall" Address: 105 W Juan Linn St, Victoria, TX 77901 isn't in BC In ictu oculi (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:PRECISE. There is no other article currently on WP that could take the title, so nothing to disambiguate on WP. If some other article needing the title is written in the future, the question should be revisited at that time. Station1 (talk) 17:44, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It should be noted that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS all over Wikipedia — to give ten other examples for Canada — Charlottetown City Hall, Edmonton City Hall, Fredericton City Hall, Halifax City Hall, Prince Rupert City Hall, Vancouver City Hall, Windsor City Hall, Stratford City Hall, Hamilton City Hall and Yorkville Town Hall. There are others indicated in that form. Are these all incorrect? Should all of them be disambiguated further? As the nominator specified, these are all Canadian articles and disambiguated in Canadian style. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 18:36, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes: ~~Edmonton City Hall~~, Halifax City Hall and Windsor City Hall could all be further disambiguated. --Robertiki (talk) 19:54, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some of them should probably be moved, but not all of them need to be. Our main articles about Charlottetown, Edmonton, Fredericton and Vancouver, for example, are not disambiguated as "City, Province" — all four of those are either unique names or primary topic for their names, so they're all at just "City", and therefore just "City" is the correct level of disambiguation for their categories and their city halls too. For the others, yes, there's a stronger basis for moving the city halls to dabbed titles: but Charlottetown, Edmonton, Fredericton and Vancouver are already at their correct titles. Bearcat (talk) 22:38, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your are right, Edmonton should not be moved.--Robertiki (talk) 09:47, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Many of those other places named Victoria likely have a building that serves the purpose of a city hall. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Whether they do or don't is irrelevant. The only question is whether any of those halls have an article on WP, and they don't. Station1 (talk) 03:51, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No need for the disambiguator. Even if there was another article by this name, this is by far the most prominent city named Victoria. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:11, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yeah! No need! Who would ? If there was another hall, the article is missing. Anyway, I found mystery city hall with a province reference, that could be the British Columbia hall (no mention of British Columbia or Canada in the news, is it a symptom ?), and so there could be some suggested additions to the article. And besides, victoria is a word in portuguese (and spanish) language. In 1939 the some what less of half million population capital of the Espírito Santo state name was Victoria. So, historically there was another significant Victoria. Suggest at least a hatnote. --Robertiki (talk) 01:08, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And Victoria Hall at Geneva. I know, it is not Victoria City Hall, but another hatnote would no be bad. --Robertiki (talk) 01:19, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support – If the motion fails I would alternatively support Victoria City Hall (British Columbia). Northwest (talk) 08:52, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:PRECISE. There is nothing that is covered on Wikipedia that this topic needs to disambiguate against. Jenks24 (talk) 09:04, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.