Talk:Vida Goldstein

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How remarkable?

in what way was her life remarkable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.182.65.206 (talk • contribs) 10:09, 18 August 2005

A suffragette and pacifist when neither was popular. An early Australian woman parliamentarian, persistently, although unsuccessfully standing for Federal Parliament in a time when women did not stand for public office, or hold jobs, .... She addressed the US Congress - a remarkable thing for an Australian woman of any generation.--AYArktos 09:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Vida was a suffragist not suffragette LPascal (talk) 12:33, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

In Australia the women campaigning for the vote are usually called "suffragists" not "suffragettes" which is the UK term. I want to change Vida's description from suffragette to suffragist. This would also delete the link to the definition of the term "suffragette" which refers to a member of the British movement. Does anyone have any objection to this?

Checking Australian newspapers of the 1910s using Trove, I find Goldstein and "suffragette" occur 473 times against Goldstein and "suffragist" 77, so I'd dispute at least part of your claim. A great many of those appear to be speaking of Goldstein's relation to, or opinion of, English suffragettes, but even restricting the search to the conjunction of the two words (proximity +/- 5 words) "suffragette" wins 19 hits to 2. That said, I'd prefer "suffragist" as a more dignified term, better suited to the subject, for whom C. H. Spence had the highest admiration. Doug butler (talk) 13:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In Clare Wright- "You daughters of freedom: The Australians who won the vote and inspired the world" (about the Australian suffragists who went to the Uk to help the UK suffragettes), Wright points out that the Australians were called suffragists. https://www.textpublishing.com.au/books/you-daughters-of-freedom-the-australians-who-won-the-vote-and-inspired-the-world. Vida Goldstein and others raised funds for the UK suffragettes here in Australia, so that's why her name appears next to the word "suffragette" in the newspapers, as you point out. Vida and the others did not think of themselves as suffragettes but as suffragists, which is what they were called In Australia until the early 1900s, until after they had won the vote. Then when Australians heard about the political actions of the UK women, they started getting the words confused and began to use both terms. You will find in the earlier newspapers, they were called suffragists. LPascal (talk) 09:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC) LPascal (talk) 09:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]