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February 2008[edit]

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User talk archives[edit]

BTW how does one create a User talk archive? Doug butler (talk) 21:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
There are lots of ways it can be done, some of them automatic, but I've had no success with the automatic ones, (and anyway, being the control freak that I am, I actually prefer to have control over what's happening.)
So I do it manually. And there are several ways you can do that, too.
Probably/possibly the easiest/best way to do it, (certainly a better way to do it than what I do, but I only discovered this method in the last year - had I discovered it earlier, I would probably use it), is the two step process:
1) Use "move page" to rename your talk page (e.g. move "User talk:Doug butler" to "User talk:Doug butler/Archive 1")
2) "User talk:Doug butler" will then become a redirect to "User talk:Doug butler/Archive 1". Edit "User talk:Doug butler" - remove the redirect and replace it with the stuff (copied from "User talk:Doug butler/Archive 1") that you like having on the top of your talk page.
Then, next time you want to archive, move "User talk:Doug butler" to "User talk:Doug butler/Archive 2"
Hope that helps. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. That seems to have worked. Doug butler (talk) 15:00, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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George Morphett and Morphett families of South Australia[edit]

I have split out the Morphett families of South Australia from George Morphett, I am not sure about the notability of the families but it does appear misplaced in that article. It does look likely they are related, more work would be needed to show that. (Note the FamilySearch Tree might be of use ) -- Paul foord (talk) 04:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Ladd's cordials[edit]

I'm not sure why this article was created: it doesn't seem to even try to make any claim to notability, and the whole article is the family history of the guy who founded it, who it also makes no claim to notability for. I don't nominate your articles for deletion because I appreciate all your hard work, but this is so not the first time you've gotten caught up in researching someone's family history and then tried to shoehorn it into Wikipedia without any encyclopedic context and it's really not the place. The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Ladd's ginger beer and sodawater were big sellers when I was a kid, probably the third biggest name in soft drinks in SA after Woodroofe's and Hall's. Virtually all I could find from Trove was, understandably, some people and some places and a lot of boring advertisements. I suspect they were big importers of ginger and sugar. They had a lot of industrial action, most, peculiarly enough about the workers having to (illegally) wash, fill and put "Ladd's" labels on bottles that belonged to another company. But you're right, I stumbled on the name when working on Frederic Chapple, who really was significant, and wondered where it would lead. But being the third soft drink company is not nothing in the history of SA. Doug butler (talk) 03:35, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
See, all of that is really interesting - but it's not in the article! The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
It's also interesting that, like Bickford's, the company was run successfully by a woman, and probably for a lot longer than the dates would suggest, given that the old man probably died from the effects of alcohol. We congratulate ourselves today on businesses being run by women, but in those days that was the lot of a great number of middle-class widows. I've deleted the family list, as it shows no signs of linkage into the great web of Adelaide Business Families. Doug butler (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)


Since you asked - it sounds borderline notable (and relevant to my interests!) but could probably make that case better. It says she was one of the first women graduates (and from the timing she obviously was), but there's no sources for that and no detail - was it not written about it at the time?

As for the husband - perhaps another case of slightly eclectic merging, since he is also marginally notable, but amusing to see the husband merged into the wife's article for once. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:02, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


I don't have the permissions, I'm sorry - you'll have to follow the procedure at WP:RM (in the uncontroversial/technical requests section) for that. The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Circumnavigating Australia's Coastline vols 1 & 2[edit]

Goo afternoon, thanks for the email. I have heard of Coghill - I will have a look in the local library to see if there is a copy that I can look at. They may be useful if there are any descriptions such as coastal features, perennial navigation hazards and et al. I will comment further at a later time. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 07:20, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Hambidge Wilderness Protection Area[edit]

Hi Doug butler, the source of 'Hambidge' in the Wilderness Protection Area's name is the Hambridge Conservation Park which was named after the Hambridge National Park which was originally named after the Hundred of Hambidge. This is evident from the the Property Location Browser reports for all of the above features. While the Hundred itself is named after Clive Hambidge, I think it is not appropriate is to directly state that the Wilderness Protection Area is named after Clive because Hambidge, like many of the other Hundreds, became a local name used by local residents. Therefore naming of Wilderness Protection Area reflects a local useage rather than an ongoing recognition of Clive Hambidge. I also minimised the content re Clive as the article is about a protected area and not about Clive. Please reply here if you have any comments. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 05:32, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for a great piece of work. Do you have anything on Mt. Jagged, somewhere near Victor Harbor? It was the site of SA's first iron ore mine and the first attempt at iron smelting in SA. Found about it in a book about A. Simpson & Son.; see Alfred Muller Simpson. Doug butler (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
There is a suburb called Mount Jagged in the City of Victor Harbor and a mountain of the same name withn the suburb - please refer Property Location Browser (don't forget to select the "Suburbs and Localities" layer). There is some information at Also a search on the DEWNR home page may reveal information about the natural environment. The PIRSA and the Department of State Development may also have information about the mining of the iron. Also, I am aware of the particular Simpson family as one of my relatives married into it; by the way, if Katie Allen Simpson & Leonard Charles Simpson have a common set of great-grandparents, they are second cousins. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 08:01, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Also, part of the locality of Mount Jagged is located in the Alexandrina Council. Cowdy001 (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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You get a barnstar for your tireless contribution to improve Wikipedia content, specially articles related to Australia. Thanks. -- Tito Dutta (talk) 06:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Charles Hope Harris[edit]

Hi, I just finished an article about a salt lake called Lake Harris which was named after Charles Hope Harris, a government surveyor. Biographical notes published in 1899 indicate that he had a notable career in the South Australian civil service. Suggest that you should consider drafting an article about Mr Hope. Please reply here if you wish to comment. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 11:02, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Apologies for slow response — have been on the road the past few days — sounds like a worthwhile project. Shall do. Doug butler (talk) 05:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Re: Sedna tonic[edit]

If all you say is true, then it should be worthy of its own article. Disambig pages are not articles. They are intended to direct people to other articles. If you link to different article then notability becomes an issue. Regardless, putting it above the actual goddess and the planet was a bit presumptive. Serendipodous 08:48, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Hundred of Squire[edit]

Hi, I have just finished an article about the County of Musgrave and noticed that one of the constituent hundreds, the Hundred of Squire, was named “in memory of the late Mr. Edward Squire, Deputy Postmaster-General.” I checked and there is no WP article exists for this person. Can you add to this to your list? Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 03:46, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

No worries. I've just come across something that may interest you. Hartley Williams (clergyman), an ex-High Anglican priest and High School principal at Mount Gambier was fishing inspector on the Glenelg River (Victoria), part of which apparently was once in SA but now in Vic. Could be a good story there. Doug butler (talk) 05:01, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
There does not appear to be a story there. Part of the Glenelg River (Victoria) is still in SA; in fact the land between the river's loop within SA and the border is occupied by the Lower Glenelg River Conservation Park and which adjoins the Lower Glenelg National Park located on the other side of the border. There is also a dispute which was resolved in 1914 and which is discussed in the following article -South Australia–Victoria border dispute. Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 09:34, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dunn family of South Australia[edit]

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This appears to be a geneology for a family. There are lots of references but none afaik point to anything which says 'this is a notable family'. So ... I'm not seeing the notability.

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Adelaide Educational Institution[edit]

Season's Greetings and Happy New Year! I trust you are well.
I was reminded of the AEI recently and thought I'd have a look at the page. I see you continue to do a good job of maintaining and expanding it!
I noticed a "new" addition to the lead that you added 15 June 2015, which I found interesting. I wondered why you had singled out PAC? (I'm guessing / assuming it was date related?)
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 04:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

(P.S. You've led me to do some "homework":
I hadn't realised how much later Scotch & King's came onto the scene. Pdfpdf (talk) 04:50, 31 December 2016 (UTC) }

South Australian manufacturing businesses[edit]

PS. Any additions to List of South Australian manufacturing businesses you can think of would be welcomed.Doug butler (talk) 04:49, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

First pass:

Pdfpdf (talk) 08:17, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Would sit comfortably with present company, thanks. Doug butler (talk) 13:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't notice your response.
I'm not sure what your response means. Yes, I would hope/expect my response "Would sit comfortably with present company". After all, that was my intention - but I don't understand what you mean. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Second pass:

"It does not include food and beverage companies or pharmaceuticals and toiletries." Why not?
Presumably not mining or oil & gas, either?
Bricks, paving, concrete casting?
Hides and tanneries?
Roads and bridges? Rail-roads?
There must be a collection of places around Mooringe Ave.
Ditto Edwardstown, Mile End, Thebarton, Hindmarsh and "greater" Port Adelaide.

Pdfpdf (talk) 10:28, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

What I was thinking of was home-grown manufacturers of elaborately transformed goods with an engineering component and brand names that would be / would have been / known interstate (whew). It's a start on an area that's not received much attention. Doug butler (talk) 13:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with your thought / intent. But I'm unsure of what I can do to help. I guess I'd like some more guidance, please. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Those names were a big help, thanks. But I'm hoping for leads on later names like Eilco/Codan, Dunlite, AEM, WIA and Krix. Not even sure if these are/were SA manufacturers. Doug butler (talk) 14:50, 10 January 2017 (UTC)


Good heavens you're a "busy boy". And the high quality of your contributions is very clearly evident, (and enviable). Well done! Please continue with your good work. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Kenneth Stirling and William Finke[edit]

Hi Doug butler, I have found two persons who may be notable enough to have articles -

  1. Kenneth Stirling whom the Kenneth Stirling Conservation Park was named after and who has an entry in the Australian Dictionary of Biography
  2. William Finke whom the following geographic features are named after - Finke River and Mount Finke.

Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 23:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Done: Kenneth Stirling stub and William Finke start class. Doug butler (talk) 05:37, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Clipper ships[edit]

I noticed that you are writing articles about clipper ships associated with South Australia. To save effort by you, I advise that I have draft articles re the Margaret Brock and Star of Greece (started in 2011 which I can get finished in the near future). Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 00:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC).

Great! There was quite a number; I was just looking at a few that were associated with John Legoe and the Orient Line, that led to David Bruce and Devitt & Moore. Most educational (much more interesting than writing about stuff I understand) but I think I'll quit after St Vincent — I'm getting waterlogged! Doug butler (talk) 01:23, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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