Talk:Wesley Autrey

A fact from Wesley Autrey appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 January 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Vietnam War veteran Wesley Autrey jumped onto a New York City Subway track in front of an oncoming train to save another man?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/January.

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Thanks a lot for posting this article! Mr. Autrey’s act is truly amazing.

Yeah....what a heartwarming story!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.6.66.193 (talk) 07:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

This person is notable as he has received nation-wide recognization for his heroic action. Rtcpenguin 00:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The prose in this article is seriously wordy and awkward in some places, and melodramatic and overwrought in others. I've tried to clean it up but it could stand more work. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 16:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck was less clear or speculative in my version? Everything I wrote was included in the new york times story, and I was deliberately removing the speculation about what went through his head, rather than what had happened. The inline citations for the lead sentence are inappropriate, as ledes are supposed to be supported by the content of the article, which this one is, and they provide general references for the facts of the article that overlap. Information was removed, including one of the sources, and the names and ages of his daughters. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 20:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated this article for the Did you know section of the main page --User101010 13:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just thinking that it should be nominated for DYK. Good call. -- Kicking222 14:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It had already been nominated, so I've moved the two noms together. Yomangani ^talk 14:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could we please format the refs with {{cite news}} instead of {{cite web}}? It's much more useful for articles from newspapers. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Playboy Magazine...

has given him a lifetime subscription as well as other benefits. I heard this on CNN Headline Prime just now. Should we include? Bearly 541 23:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not unless you can cite it, but I don't think it's really worth including an exhaustive list of everything he's gotten. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 00:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is absolutely worth listing. In this day and age, reward drives everything. This dude should get $1,000,000 from Trump, not $10k. We need to promote good deeds. User:Mark 17:03, 6 January 2007 (PDT)
  - The problem with that is--doing good deeds is its own reward, you shouldn't expect material gain. Reward shouldn't drive everything. Although what Autrey did was amazing, he shouldn't (nor does he) expect $1,000,000 for it and it's not Trump's responsibility to provide it. I hate to think of future good-deed-doers holding out their hands expectantly for cash after saving someone's life.

But yeah, it was pretty amazing. I enter that station every day and I STILL can't see how he fit under the train.24.239.136.184 18:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - We're not here to promote good deeds we're here to write an encyclopedia. Specifically promoting something is a WP:NPOV issue. However since it is being covered by the news, it should be mentioned.--Crossmr 03:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I also think what he receives is notable enough to mention, especially when major media outlets are specifically commenting on his rewards. -- Kicking222 01:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I think it's relevant and newsworthy.

Age

If he was born in 1956, he could only have been at the tail end of the Vietnam War. We pulled combat units out in 1973 and completely left in 1975. I'd like to know more about his service in the Navy.Rlevse 03:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did not see a reference to the Vietnam War in the cited sources (I apologize if I missed it). I've removed that statement... Sources clearly indicate he is a "Navy veteran". — ERcheck (talk) 03:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a source: [1]. Nationalparks 04:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron

What's the story on the guy whose life he saved (Cameron)? He has no wikipedia entry, and in google searches I have found no mention of his appreciation for his life being saved, aside from his mother. It seems like he would be just as interesting to learn about as the guy who saved him. User:Mark 13:21, 10 January 2007 (PDT)

I have found a comment from the family and am adding it. I do think the guy probably deserves an entry.Butnotthehippo 04:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to him, does anyone else agree that the wording "Hollopeter did not cooperate and stumbled..." seems strange. To say he "did not cooperate" implies a certain level of control or intention, which I would understand someone having a seizure not to have. Anyone want to weigh in? SINsApple 04:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that he was in the hospital during most of the brou-ha-ha, his dad made some very emotional statements, and I have a feeling he didn't really want all the media attention. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 04:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also if you woke up to find a strange person laying on top of you and you dont know what is going on and are disoriented, then 'cooperating' is not something someone might do --dputig07 06:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with SINsApple. What actually happened? The first reports said he appeared to recover and then stumbled. Either way accusing him of not cooperating seems misplaced. On the 'wikipedia entry for cameron' thought I would say 'no'. He is not sufficiently notable IMHO. A google search will in any event turn his name up at the Wesley Autrey article. --Adam Brink 10:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure you guys know this but when the guy is having a seizure he's going to be thrashing all over the place. By saying "[he] did not cooperate" means in this context seems to mean that his flailing caused problems. Bradkoch2007 04:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Hollopeter would've recovered better if Autrey hadn't restrained him and forced a pen between his teeth. Autrey is a hero, sure, but his actions before diving off the subway platform were exactly what not to do for a seizure victim.

What is a "plush"?

It says a Disney ambassador gave "plushes" to his kids. What is that? User:Pedant 06:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a stuffed animal. Plush is actually the type of fabric. --Maxamegalon2000 06:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the pic pic

Thanks. User:Pedant

Errors

There are a few differences between this article and the one in the NY Times from Jan. 3. The Times article states that the man who was rescued is 20. The Wiki article says he is 19.

Also the Times says five train cars rolled over them. The Wiki article says two.

Which article is incorrect?

Here is the link for the Times article, which is by the way referenced at the bottom of the Wiki article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/nyregion/03life.html?ex=1325480400&en=bfb239e4fab06ab5&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&

JBFrenchhorn 08:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first story had a number of details that were changed in later stories. The Age story says 19 [2] and the BBC says two cars [3]. Given that they're later, I'm going to trust them. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 09:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If anybody can clean this up and make it better that would be great. I couldn't believe there wasn't a page on this after the President mentioned him in the State of the Union. He also has more media appearances then listed here. I would like to make a comprehensive list.

Picture

Can somebody please find a picture that would be allowed to be put on here!!!Butnotthehippo 03:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deal or No Deal

There's some wretched sentence structure on that portion.....I'm going to delete some. Someone else can do a revert and a clean-up if they're up for it. Buddpaul (talk)

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