Talk:What Goes Around... Comes Around

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Revert[edit]

Can anybody please revert this page to an older version? apparently, somebody changed it to add remarks such as: "..became Timberlake is a faggot's third consecutive..." "Timberlake has stated that, unlike "Cry Me a River", "What Goes Around..." isn't about that bitch Britney Spears..." "The song has received generally positive reviews. It shouldn't have, though."

Can you please list instruments used in song- I've got to do a solo talk at school on this song and I need to know.

The Cover[edit]

    • The Cover** can someone please remove the alternate cover? It's not even real.

The title[edit]

There are so many different titles for this song:

"What Goes Around..."
"What Goes Around"
"What Goes Around Comes Around"
"What Goes Around...Comes Around"
"What Goes Around... Comes Around"
"What Goes Around.../...Comes Around (Interlude)" THIS SONG IS NOT BY JUSTIN TIMBERFLAKE IT IS A 804S SONG AND MUCH BETTER THEN THAT FAG CAN EVEN HOPE TO BE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.23.41.40 (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Can we all just pick one and stick with it? And does anyone know the official track title? Or what it says on the album track listing on the CD (because I don't have it)? If anyone does, please just change it and stick with it. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The93owner (talkcontribs) 02:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

the interlude flips the instrumental around, and as included the whole thing's like 7 minutes. so i'm assuming that the single released will only include the "What Goes Around..." part, but i don't know for sure cuz i haven't heard it on the radio.
so it'd either be "What Goes Around..." or "What Goes Around.../...Comes Around (Interlude)" depending on what's been released. 134.69.166.175 03:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
The title has been moved to What Goes Around... because the tracklisting on the cd is the offcial name for the song.The interlude is included in the video but not on the radio stations which confirms that the single is only What Goes Around. My Love was another issue but as you can see has also been moved to just My Love because thats the single that was released.--Gregxscene 05:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Why then is the full title on the cover of the single, shown right there in the infobox? It is also listed as "What Goes Around...Comes Around" in several official chart listings, including Billboard magazine. Displaying it just as "What Goes Around" in the album's article is ok, as that is how it is listed in the CD credits, but if the title has been modified for the single release, then the single's article should have the correct title. - eo 17:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Can we all just stick with the current title (What Goes Around...Comes Around)? The93owner 01:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The album version is What goes around.../...Comes Around (Interlude) and its like 7 minutes... the radio version is just What Goes Around... and its around 5 minutes... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.103.176.163 (talk) 17:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC).
Actually, the radio edit is only shorter because of less instrumentals (intro, the transition into the ...Comes Around portion of the song. In other words, the radio edit is still "What Goes Around" and "Comes Around" but is only shorter because of less instrumentals.The93owner 23:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The official title of the song is 'What Goes Around.../...Comes Around Interlude' according to the SonyMusicStore where Jive label CDs are sold directly from them online. The page can be found here and the track list is there.There aren't any parenthesis, it's just the way I put it Blah0401 00:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Also, when songs are released as singles, the original is released. Its at the discretion of each individual radio station how they choose to edit the song for radio play, therefore the single's title and the title of the song are one in the same. I've heard a longer version of this song on the Z100 radio station here in NYC at night when they megamixes and thats an example where the song is edited differently.Blah0401 01:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I've requested a move protection for this page but it has been declined. I will try to talk the administrator into giving this page one, it really needs it. The93owner 22:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I know this is an old topic, but I cannot find one source where the song title has a "slash" in it. --Wolfer68 (talk) 19:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

More things about this article in addition to the questionable title[edit]

After leaving comment about the song title (see above) I am now wondering if a) this single cover image is legit. There is no proper source for it in the image's history. Where did it come from? and b) Are all those remixes official? A lot of song articles suddenly have a lot of remixes added to them by independent DJs/remixers who are just looking for a mention or a plug for their own private mix. Timberlake's "My Love" article at one point had like 25 mixes listed until it was properly cleaned up. Which of these are real? Fakes and unofficials should be removed immediately. -- eo 18:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

That single cover is at Amazon.com. "What Goes Around...Comes Around" appears to be the single's closest thing to an official title, so I put it there. Crumbsucker 01:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
yeah, i think it should be moved back -- i checked Billboard a while ago and that was the listed title. 134.69.166.175 02:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
There should be a list of remixes but with sources. I mean, I saw various remixes on the iTunes Music store and dunno how it would be source. A link to the store would work... --esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 05:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Loose language[edit]

Language such as "back to his place" and "making out" seem too colloquial for an article. - 69.157.81.249 00:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC) A.K.

That whole section is a mess. Way too much detail for a song article. I tagged it in the past but not much has been done. - eo 00:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

References[edit]

In so far as the MoS at the moment (though, as has been confirmed, without discussion and consensus) allows both, the question needs to be decided here. I've given a reason for preferring the straightforard <references/> tag. Claims about aesthetic preferences aren't relevant here; are there any substantial reasons for preferring one of the templates? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Requires[edit]

The Charting Table should be broken in 2 parts and placed side by side.

This article is not long as it is being considered by many.Have a look at many Gwen Stefani singles like What You Waiting For? , Rich Girl , Hollaback Girl and Cool (song).All these articles are Featured Articles and are longer than this article too.User:luxurious.gaurav

Fair use rationale for Image:WhatGoesAroundSingleCover.jpg[edit]

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Content removal[edit]

Unsourced:

  • Billboard magazine praised the single, suggesting it was superior to the two previous FutureSex/LoveSounds releases, "SexyBack" and "My Love". Billboard reviewer Chuck Taylor said: "To call this 'Cry Me a River, Pt. 2' is among the greatest compliments we can muster, given the disposable quality of the previous two releases." He also went on to predict that the song would continue Timberlake's string of hits: "Sounds like three in a row for Timberlake."

Thank you. --Efe (talk) 10:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

  • has been described as a short film since the director's cut duration exceeds nine minutes and the beginning even features credits similar to a film.
  • This is Timberlake's first video with explicit language.
  • The music video premiered on iTunes Store on February 9 2007. This was the first time an artist ever premiered its video in the store. Before the official release online, trailers were released on Timberlake's official website as well as on many television outlets. The director's cut is only available online and a shorter edited version sent out to television channels. The video's official television premiere was during MTV's 2007 Grammy Awards pre-show on February 11, 2007. On iTunes Store, two versions are available for download; the clean version, as well as the explicit version. It currently holds the record for the fastest selling video on the iTunes Store, selling a record breaking 50,000 downloads.[1] This video retired from TRL on May 7, 2007 after 40 days. This is Timberlake's 3rd video to retire from this countdown after "SexyBack" and "My Love". --Efe (talk) 09:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Just a few things to do:

  • Firstly, I notice that "What Goes Around..." is often used in the article. Shouldn't it be "What Goes Around.../...Comes Around", since that's the title of the article and the song? What's the difference between those titles? Can they be explained?
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  • In the "Background" section, there are a few sentences that are quite short. Could a few of these be reworded, merging with the adjacent sentences, so that the prose flows better?
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  • There's a paragraph with wayyy too many notes that are all the same source. Only one ref is needed at the end.
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  • It mentions the key signature of the song. Could you also find out the key? Is it in major or minor scale? Reading the music sheet helps - I can't access to it though :(.
Yes check.svg Done I think someone edited this before and somehow distorted something.
  • A few spelling mistakes here in Music Composition. "seven-two beats per minute." "spanning to a seven and tweny-eight-minutes track."
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  • "there is a five-second solo of the Middle Eastern instrument the oud." Add a comma before "the oud".
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  • "What Goes Around..." is about betrayal and forgiveness." This would be more suitable in "Lyrical interpretation" than "Composition" don't you think?
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  • "What Goes Around..." was certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand." Possible citation?
Symbol question.svg Question: I dont know where to get the source. The official source of RIANZ depicts that it reached gold, and though they have archives, no url can pinpoint the source. You need to browse for the date.
You could make a google search. Type in "what goes around" rianz, there is a link which you can use to source it. :) RaNdOm26 (talk) 09:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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  • "floats underneath the surface as if drowning"
Symbol question.svg Question: What I am going to do with this?
I think I put it there because it could be rephrased better. Don't worry, I've reworded it. RaNdOm26 (talk) 09:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
  • "Timberlake runs out and pulls her up as she laughs it off and starts to kiss him." Eew! Could you re-word this, it sounds a bit funny.
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I think that's all for now. Otherwise, the article is awesome! :) Please add a notice on my talk page when all points are addressed. Thanks! RaNdOm26 (talk) 11:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. It was, I think, an awesome review as well. This type of review is what I'm looking for (for me to be sure that the article is written in good form, or otherwise). Please re-check it. Thanks again. --Efe (talk) 11:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all your contributions and for going through the review, I'm glad you found it useful! It passes GA. RaNdOm26 (talk) 09:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, especially the sourcing. --Efe (talk) 00:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Is there a copyright free public domain image for use on the R&B and Soul Music Portal ? Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 23:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. If there's any, I'll be happy to add them in the page. Currently, I'm looking for images. --Efe (talk) 00:40, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Slash in Title[edit]

I believe that the slash in the title should be removed. In cases where the A-side and B-side of a single chart and have their own articles, a slash is usually used to separate them when talking about the single product. Therefore, this slash can come across as confusing when it is trivial itself. The first line in the article even states that it can be written as "What Goes Around... Comes Around". Feedback please. I Help, When I Can. [12] 17:52, 26 March 2011 (UTC)


International performance[edit]

NEVER underestimate Europe. You see the youtube views on Ai Se Eu Te Pego? You see, the European charts is basically parent chart for many smaller communities - just like the US. Just because a song is #1 in the country as a whole, doesn't mean it was the #1 song in every 50 states? So you can't say it wasn't international successful because it wasn't #1 in all European countries. Plus the song was a weak US #1 hit, pretty weak on radio and weak relative longevity. Plus its certification is only Platinum. It is certified 2x Platinum in AUS (which separate from EU). I was dumbfounded that the word 'failed' was used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayshinkw (talkcontribs) 11:57, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: The result of this discussion was move due to unanimous support after more than a month of discussion. OCNative (talk) 05:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


What Goes Around.../...Comes AroundWhat Goes Around... Comes Around — Slash in the title should be removed. In cases where the A-side and B-side of a single chart and have their own articles, a slash is usually used to separate them when talking about the single product. Therefore, this slash can come across as confusing when it is trivial itself. The first line in the article even states that it can be written as "What Goes Around... Comes Around". I Help, When I Can. [12] 00:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

The song was actually released without the slash, so I agree it should be moved. nding·start 16:47, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support Single release uses this typography. If and when it is moved, someone will need to cleanup. Adabow (talk · contribs) 02:38, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
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  1. ^ ""What Goes Around...comes Around" is the fastest selling video ever on iTunes.". Retrieved 2007-02-24.