Talk:Yuen Ren Chao

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Adding "traditional Chinese" to the Chinese titles of books or Chinese names is misleading. Chinese characters are the writing system to write Chinese. "Traditional Chinese" in English usually means "non-simplified Characters", i.e. fántǐzì 繁體字 (called zhèngtǐzì 正體字 in Taiwan). — Babelfisch 01:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

discussion on 'Ten Lions'

I've opened a discussion and request for comment on "Ten Stone Lions" re: its poetic interpretation. If anyone cares to join in go here. thank you. Redslider (talk) 05:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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A Grammar of Spoken Chinese: Zhong Guo Hua de Wen Fa By 趙元任

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How to Cook and Eat in Chinese

Thanks to 172.249.33.196 for bringing up the question. Epstein's "speculation" is backed up by other evidence, but it doesn't seem proportionate to add more documentation in this article, so I suggested neutral language. There is more at Buwei Yang Chao. She opens the book by saying, almost certainly in YR's words, "I didn’t write the book”:

The way I didn’t was like this. You know I speak little English and write less. So I cooked my dishes in Chinese, my daughter Rulan put my Chinese into English, and my husband finding the English dull, put much of it back into Chinese again. {(p. 21)

Rosemary Levenson's interview titles the section "Co-author with Buwei Yang Chao." It's clear that it was a family collaboration, but YR's role was more than a "translator," in spite of what he modestly said to Levenson several decades later. ch (talk) 17:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

some questions on Yuen Ren Chao's title and name

Here is just a question and potentially a minor edit on Yuen Ren Chao's title as "linguist, educator, scholar, poet and composer". The article mentions his works as a linguist, educator, scholar and arguably a composer but not quite any works in poetry. It does mention his works in translation, both for his wife's cooking book into English and Alice in Wonderland into Chinese. Wouldn't that warrant his title as perhaps a literary translator? Another question is I am curious as to where did the Yuen Ren Chao translation of his name come from? I understand that pinyin did not exist when he was first born but his wife and daughters' names were transcribed with pinyin. Was this his stylistic preference or did the editor of this page take the liberty from somewhere? Could this potentially be explained on the page somewhere because Chinese speakers would have found this curious. Thank you all! --Sissilxy (talk) 15:06, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that Chao, his wife, and his daughters' names all use the Gwoyeu Romatzyh system of romanization which a group headed by Chao invented in the 1920s. Pinyin adopted some features from GR, hence the similarity. Rather inconsistently, Chao continued to use the Wade-Giles spelling of the family name. This did allow him to title his autobiography Life with Chaos. Rgr09 (talk) 23:41, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Caption needs review

The picture used under "Work" has a caption which states that the woman in the photograph is Chao's wife, Buwei Yang Chao. This is false, and repeats the error made in the photograph and caption cited from the source at http://www.womenofchina.cn/womenofchina/html1/people/history/1609/3167-2.htm, which in turn is translated from Nanjing Daily. If you go to the linked source page and look at the second picture, you'll see Buwei Yang Chao sitting up front, taking pride of place as the matriarch of the family alongside Yuen Ren Chao; the younger woman is standing behind (and between) both of them.

The younger woman in the picture as used in this article could be Chao's daughter, Rulan, but I do not currently have a way to verify this.

Teckaway (talk) 08:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)teckaway[reply]