Template talk:By whom

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Merge proposal[edit]

This should probably be merged into {{who}}, with an added flag | with a value of yes (use "by whom" form) or anything else/blank (go with {{who}}'s default wording). Would require a bot to replace the instances already deployed, which are all over the place. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

A straight replace seems ok to me. Some of the redirects were formerly redirects to "who" anyway. Rich Farmbrough, 20:38 27 September 2008 (UTC).

Template is broken.[edit]

See [1] for example. Caused by [2]. Headbomb {ταλκκοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Reverted by me, and Rich informed. Tonywalton Talk 17:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Rich Farmbrough, 17:47 31 March 2009 (UTC).

Grammatical lack[edit]

When I write "{{says who}}" in the offending subjective text, I wish a verb in the template such as [claimed by whome?], not a simple [by whome?]. "By whome?" doesn't explain what I'm after: I wish that this sentence is rewritten to a sourced citation. If a "claimed" is appended before the rest, I signal that I wish to know

"who claims? Please add the name, address, shoe number and hat number of the claimant, and also add a citation!"

If "claim" is missing in the template, there simply are to many verbs to choose between, such as "worn by whome", "eaten by whome", "rejected by whome", "hailed by whome". ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 13:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

BTW: shoe number reveals whether they're dwarves, the rest is obvious. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 13:29, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I altered {{says who}} to not redirect here. On the other hand the doc is unified between the two templates. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 17:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Editprotected request involving this template[edit]

This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at Template talk:! cymru.lass (hit me up)(background check) 20:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 February 2012[edit]

The title parameter's text begins T he material, but it should begin The material; i.e. there is an extraneous space. Gorobay (talk) 16:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

By who?[edit]

Whenever this template seems to be commonly used, say like this: "It has been suggested [by whom]" it is grammatically incorrect, I believe. This is one of those less common cases where whom is used when who ought to be. Dissecting the sentence, "it" is the object, "suggested" is the "verb" and "who" is the subject. "Whom" is only used when it is on the receiving end of the verb (i.e. when it is the object, "whom did you call?"). Who is used when it is doing the action, which it seems to be. ("who called you?") Perhaps we can change this template OR make an alternate "by who?" template. Why am I drawing this distinction? Well, it seems to me that if you say "by whom" you are trying to follow the who/whom distinctions, but that is incorrect. Please, a grammarian help me! Correct me if I'm wrong! Sansveni (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I think you're wrong. "by whom" is a prepositional phrase, and in a prepositional phrase we use the object form (where that matters). A useful trick for "who" vs "whom" is to replace it with "he" or "him" and see if it makes sense, although you may have to take into account Wh-movement. Anomie 15:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 September 2013[edit]

Please | link = Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words to | link = Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words#Unsupported_attributions to avoid the redirect. -- Cheers, Riley 03:09, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

DoneMr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 11:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Add 'Visual effect'[edit]

Per the who template i would suggest adding the same 'Visual effect' example under the usage header. Also, wouldn't it be better to also use {{By whom|{{subst:DATE}}}} instead of manually adding the date? Huskyoog.jpg Husky (talk page) 23:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

This second point I don't see. There is no way to add the date automatically. We simply copy the code from the documentation page, or yes, type it out. Debresser (talk) 01:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
In any case the template documentation is in a separate page, Template:By whom/doc, which is not protected. You don't need to ask other editors to edit the documentation for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)