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Archive, June 2007

Adjusting sig[edit]

Hi. Is this gonna take a long time? Please consider a less distracting edit summary, at least. Thanks. El_C 12:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Its [almost] done. [1] sorry about the summary thing. I do not want to edit archives or those pages so all done for now. -- Cat chi? 12:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. El_C 12:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Do you think it'd be ok to adjust those other pages listed there? -- Cat chi? 12:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
One of them seems to be protected. -- Cat chi? 12:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Sure, it's fine. El_C 12:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I would convert the sigs in that protected MfD for you if there was like two or three of em, but there's way too many for me to bother, sorry. If it's that important to you, I can unprotect it for ten minutes and you can attened to this rather tedius task. Please respond on this page. El_C 12:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
OK you can unprotect it for ten minutes. AWB has an automated find and replace function for the task. -- Cat chi? 14:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Go ahead, I lifted the protection. El_C 14:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


Re this comment

Cat, what the hell is wrong with you? I'm not making up bullshit here, I actually saw him revert you before seeing this post on AN/I. Some guy was a dick to you in the past, and he got banned for it, but that does not mean anyone with a disagreement with you is even anywhere near that same situation. If what we are saying is upsetting to you, then that's your problem, it doesn't make what we are doing harassment. There is a big difference. -- Ned Scott 05:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Have you checked your past 250 edits? How many are relevant to my sigs? You have devoted most of your recent contribs on me. You have devoted a good portion of your commons contribs on me. You revert war against me on my own userspace. Moby Dick engaged in similar behaviour. He was also told that to stalk someone provided you don't stalk them to excess still isn't OK. Moby Dick also used a watchlist. -- Cat chi? 05:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Most of my edits are for a DISCUSSION about the MFD on User:Cool Cat. How many of those edits are to the same pages? Mody Dick followed you around. Are you not seeing the difference here? This isn't stalking, this isn't harassment. -- Ned Scott 05:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop running an unapproved bot[edit]

Your request for a bot to modify your old sigs was turned down. Unfortunately, you then turned around and started making the edits on your main account, trying to bypass the decision. This isn't going to fly. Continue running your unapproved bot on any account and that account will be blocked. --Cyde Weys 15:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I am running NO BOT. I have been using AWB to make modifications which I am more than allowed. -- Cat chi? 15:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Democratic Party (Turkey, current)[edit]

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This party was never founded in the first place. The two leaders made a press conference together, announcing that they would be working together for the next election. No official steps were taken in the next few weeks, and now yesterday their allience is dissolved and they will be running in the next election as two seperate parties.

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Barnstar ribbon[edit]

Your page about barnstar ribbon is not too accurate because the ribbons have to indicate what type of barnstar you receive, not # of barnstars. # of barnstars only apply when you get 2 or more of the same kind of barnstar. OhanaUnited 12:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

In military tradition when someone receives an award multiple times rather than carrying multiple times it is represented by various "pins". On my ribbon system when someone receives a barnstar multiple times each "extra" is represented with a star. The type of the barnstar is available if you recognize how they look like but also when you click on them. -- Cat chi? 13:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
But wikipedia is not military, is it? OhanaUnited 13:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I am normally not wiki-politically correct about this. I should have said any organized group such as the police, fire department, or even scouting. -- Cat chi? 13:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


White Cat, Take a look please. Due to Genocide, Unofficial Capital etc. I put my immedia reply that can be improved.Regards.Must.T C 21:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, are you available on IRC to talk on a matter? I can also do email. I need some guidance over a matter. -- Cat chi? 01:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I've never done IRC and wouldn't know how :) But email's possible - <my username> Grutness...wha? 06:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, I'll be emailing now. -- Cat chi? 09:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Talk:Adana massacre[edit]

Hello there とある白い猫/Archive/2007/06, I'm sorry for reverting your edit but please next time use the edit summary, many thanks--Arnon Chaffin (Talk) 15:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, is there any reason why you reverted my edit on your sandbox and userpage? Of course those two pages are completely yours to rule/dictate but since you are crediting me, wouldn't it be better to credit my real userpage? :) -- Cat chi? 02:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, is there any reason why you reverted my edit on your sandbox and userpage?
Yes. --Calton | Talk 02:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind being more specific? -- Cat chi? 02:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
No. --Calton | Talk 02:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I do not understand the reason for your attitude. -- Cat chi? 02:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
So? --Calton | Talk 02:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Why don't you want to properly credit me - yet still credit me? I mean, you are more than welcome to use anything you got from my userpage and crediting me is the ethical thing that you are doing... It doesn't really make any sense that you aren't even showing the basic courtesy of a detailed straight answer. -- Cat chi? 02:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I've answered your questions as much as I care to. You don't like my answers? Not my problem. --Calton | Talk 02:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes. No. So?
You are awfully insincere. Best wishes, whatever your problem is.
-- Cat chi? 02:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
What part of "I've answered your questions as much as I care to" was unclear? Do I need to diagram that sentence for you or explain the difficult words? To recap and expand my answers:
"Yes, I do."
"Yes, I do."
"So what?"
You don't like my answers? Not my problem. --Calton | Talk 02:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Would you mind not crediting me at all if you are not going to link to User:White Cat/ref please? Do not worry, I won't be "copyright-lawyering" GFDL -- Cat chi? 02:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I do. --Calton | Talk 02:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
That's most strange. Why do you mind? Please provide a reasonable rationale. Your short answers are only increasing my curiosity... -- Cat chi? 02:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
What portion of the word "no" is hard for you to understand? Let's try again: No. --Calton | Talk 02:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
White Cat, I see you have met User:Calton, you can bang your head against the wall trying to get an answer out of him, but you're not. He thinks he is being witty with his answers and will not answer in any other way but that. I would refrain from further posts with him as it will get you nowhere. If, though, you continue to have problems with him, let an admin know. Take Care...NeutralHomer T:C 17:21, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, me again, I always drop User:Phaedriel's name, as she is a really nice admin who gets things done. You don't have to message her right away (only if you have further problem with User:Calton) and I just an acquaintance of hers, not an admin myself. Take Care and Have a Good Weekend....NeutralHomer T:C 18:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Kurdistan[edit]

Is there any reason why you are restoring pov/nationalistic colors on the wikiproject page despite WP:NOT/WP:POINT? -- Cat chi? 16:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Out of the majority of non-involved contributors (that is myself) most of them are for the colours or don't care. Please stop undoing the hard work of other users just because it tickles your fancy. - Francis Tyers · 16:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
It has little to do with my fancy. "Hard work" for what? Creating unnecessary controversy? Wikipedia:WikiProject France has less national colors and it is a "country" wikiproject. -- Cat chi? 16:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring on Kurdistan Workers Party and User:Qwl[edit]

First, I would apologise again for not realising that the edit summary comments were a personal attack. If I had realised I would have blocked the editor for that violation, as well as the 3RR. I did not issue a block in this instance because, although 3RR was violated, User:Qwl was not continuing the revert war and the article had been "cleaned" of their edits. As blocking is preventative rather than punitive I saw no point in blocking an editor who was no longer making those edits, so I decided to issue a warning instead. I hope this explains my actions and non-actions. LessHeard vanU 19:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh its fine. There is nothing to apologies about. If the disruption stops - I am cool with that. :) -- Cat chi? 21:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
[2]. User is still removing the material. Perhaps the page should be semi-protected. -- Cat chi? 09:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Mazikert[edit]

This is not part of Kurdish history as it belongs to Seljukid and Turkish one.Heja Helweda 18:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


Please stop spamming talk pages. Use WT:RFCU instead. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 12:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I already have. It was ignored (only one of the checkusers made a normal check which is inadequate). See: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/ My edits contain no advertisement of any kind and it cannot be considered spam. Please do not make dealing with disruption more difficult than it already is. -- Cat chi? 13:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Please review WP:CANVASS. Soliciting opinions is considered spamming. You could have created a userspace page and left links, instead of leaving whole of the text on user talk pages. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 13:15, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
WP:CANVASS clearly does not apply. I am asking people to tell me if they have the checkuser logs of a user that was banned by arbcom for a year that can be used for a checkuser of a current case. I am not even asking for the logs themselves. I am not soliciting opinions as no opinion was presented. -- Cat chi? 13:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Clearly, mass-messaging comes under the purview of WP:SPAM and WP:CANVASS; and can be seen as disruptive. You can use emails instead. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 13:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
This is not "mass messaging" of a random/opinionated group of people hence WP:SPAM and WP:CANVASS can't apply. I am not advocating any view by requesting weather or not someone has a log file or not. I am simply asking weather or not they have the logs or not with a detailed explanation on why I am requesting it.
Not every check user reviewes every case, certainly not a closed stale case. I cannot request a checkuser since the logs on wikimedia servers are gone for diyako/xebat and his armada of sockpuppets. I need someone with the right log files in order to file the case.
It makes no difference for me to post something on a sub page in my userspace and link to it on individual userpages. Take it to ANB/I if you like and see if it sticks. I do not have to mail people.
-- Cat chi? 13:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I strongly urge you to report this on ANI, instead of edit-warring, if you are intending to do so. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 13:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I do not edit war. Wouldn't it also fall under WP:CANVASS if I did that? More people would see my post. -- Cat chi? 13:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
White Cat's request of checkusers has a serious purpose with the aim of improving Wikipedia and seems to be in order. If the Canvassing guideline says he shouldn't contact checkusers to see if they retain private copies of checkuser logs concerning a sanctioned editor, it's wrong and should be ignored. --Tony Sidaway 16:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I am not against contacting. Proper channels of communications should be used rather than whole-sale spamming of checkusers' talk pages. For e.g. the ArbCom mailing list, private emails or WT:RFCU. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 11:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:Maps of Kurdistan[edit]

Hi, what is the scope of that category? -- Cat chi? 14:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi. In answer to your question I found this earlier today: Kurdistan#Geography. --Timeshifter 15:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Well... Kurdistan is also a wannabe defacto country and lacks any definition of borders. If you google for "Kurdistan map" you'll see what I mean. What falls inside and outside of Kurdistan (or its very existence for that mater) is disputed. So it is a problematic term. Perhaps you may want to categorize the maps as being relevant to the Kurdish people as these maps are always about them (weather its Kurdish homelands or ethnic composition). It would have a definite scope and non-controversial title at the same time. -- Cat chi? 16:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
What do you suggest? --Timeshifter 16:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I am uncertain. Maybe something along the lines of Category:Maps related to Kurdish people. You may be able to have a better wording in mind since you deal with such categories in bulk. :) -- Cat chi? 17:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Or maybe along the lines of how the commons is dealing with it. Please see commons:Category:Maps of Kurdistan and commons:Category:Kurdistan. --Timeshifter 17:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Thats different. On Commons "Kurdistan" refers to Iraqi Kurdistan. Thats possible as a subcat of "Maps of Iraq" in a non controversial manner. Your edit however made it highly controversial :) -- Cat chi? 17:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the commons is supposed to use the English wikipedia decisions on naming. In order to avoid repeating all the naming battles. I don't care either way how the Kurdistan maps are categorized. So I linked to the relevant wikipedia and commons categories and articles. I figured I'd let others discuss it first before I changed anything. Maybe you can ask at the various commons talk pages and see what others say. Let me know what you find out. I suggest asking at Category talk:Maps. Also, there is no need to reply on my talk page. Please reply here. I have your talk page watchlisted. --Timeshifter 18:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Commons is commons. Commons often use English naming schemes but not always. For instance all plants and animals have Latin names. It may be better for you to post this there, I'll comment after you do. -- Cat chi? 18:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Feel free to copy this there. Please let me know if you do. --Timeshifter 18:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice on my talk page that this thread was copied to Category talk:Maps. --Timeshifter 14:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Air related articles[edit]

You finally free? :) User talk:White Cat/Archive/2007/05#Air episodes - Juhachi -- Cat chi? 11:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The situation has completely changed since then I believe. There is in no way that those Air episode articles are going to be made ever again. Those articles all lacked secondary sources, and I now would actively promote their deletion if you were to recreate them. As for the character articles, only the 4 main characters should deserve separate articles per WP:FICT, while the others should be kept in the List of Air characters article.-- 11:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, I am not asking about their current situation. I am asking if you are going to help or not. You said you would back then. i see no change in the situation. I have waited this long. -- Cat chi? 12:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
And I am saying that it depends on a few things. Yes, I am free, but if you go blatently against policy, then I am not going to help you. We've had our share of differences in the past, and we still disagree on some of the finer points.-- 12:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Please read the discussion we had. Your approach to me is almost hostile. You said yourself you did want Air articles to have the coverage of Kannon (or something like that). -- Cat chi? 12:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
And as I said above, the situation has drastically changed, and my opinion is different now. The Kanon episode articles, and the minor characters for Kanon, have all been removed by me per the policies set at WP:EPISODE and WP:FICT. Currently, the Kanon set of articles is nearly identical to the Air set of articles, except Kanon has 6 separate articles for the 6 main characters. Air should also, in my opinion, get 4 separate articles for the 4 main characters, but nothing beyond that. No Air (anime), or Air (manga) articles, or anything else; just those 4 articles. Nothing else has to be made, or can be made realistically without going aganisnt policy.-- 12:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Those are guidelines, not policies. Will you help or not. Please do not lecture me on policy when I am asking if you will participate in an article improvement drive or not. -- Cat chi? 12:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually forget it, this is being far too unpleasant to begin with. -- Cat chi? 13:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


How dare you call my contribution spam!!! I am a Kurd and I made a lsit of kurdish dictionaries. you bloody turkish nationalist and atoricity commiting bone breaking Nazi. watch out folk this slimy Turk is trying to censor the internet this is not undemocratic Turkey here, no prison cells in wikipedia you stupid Turk! And you buggers want membership to the EEC—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jopling100 (talkcontribs) 22:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. When the bot flag is set it will show up in this log. Sorry for the delay. —METS501 (talk) 05:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Bot flag for WOPR[edit]

Hi. Per Mets501's approval [3], I've granted your bot account a bot flag [4]. Cheers, Redux 13:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Yay! -- Cat chi? 13:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)