User talk:ABCD/Archive 2

This is the second archive of User talk:ABCD.

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Bias on O'Reilly page

I'm a Democrat and not a fan of Fox News, but I've tried to encourage political moderation and the O'Reilly page seems a little "anti-O'Reilly" even to me. You guys have always tried to monitor bias and we out here in the world appreciate it. Just thought you'd like to know.

Protect My page

Hello dear. You are a wiki admin and I need your help. Can you explain about this changes to my page? [Insulting, abusing and vandaling language!] He is flooding page Kourosh ziabari with under-18 langauge all time and I don't know what to do 70.52.6.147 He uses many IPs and Wiki IDs and I don't know what to do. 70.52.6.147 is his last IP. and also visit this comparation page that shows the changes of main page to the insulting content [1]

Schmidt and Hackett

You worked on articles on the special election in Ohio on August 2. I have posted my articles on the nominees in that race, Jean Schmidt and Paul Hackett, at Wikipedia:Peer review and would appreciate your comments. The individual pages are at Wikipedia:Peer review/Jean Schmidt/archive1 and Wikipedia:Peer review/Paul Hackett/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 19:31, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

I do not remember ever editing any articles on that subject - the only things I was doing on 2 August 2005, looking at my contribs, was closing VfDs. – ABC D✉ 05:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Judas Priest

Hi there. I saw you first on a list of admins so I chose to make litle sugestion to you because I dont realy know who is competent for this subject on en. wiki. :(

So here is my sugestion for the name(s) of albums:

Good - Judas Priest/Electric Eye
Bad - Electric Eye (Judas Priest)

Less confusing :)

Hope you will reconsider about this --213.244.205.106 15:17, 21 August 2005 (UTC) (sr:User:Милан Јелисавчић)[reply]

Please see Naming conventions - Music – ABC D✉ 19:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Monobook

Hi i've found your name on the credits on EssJay's monobook and probably you can help me. After translating many things into my language (italian), i have a trouble. In the italian wiki the label "edit" is translated as modifica. Using the monobook this label is now edit and i would like to rename it into italian. But i can't find the right string nor something that can help me...thank you so much for you attention and excuse me for my bad english but i'm italian! PLease Answer on my page on It.wiki :P Helios89 13:16, 22 August 2005 (U

Thank you a lot for the suggestion. it works. Great! in italian we say: "bravo!" Helios89 10:00, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Tern

I wanted to indef block him! :( Redwolf24 (talk) 04:36, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have examined this user's contributions and found no specific legal threats or personal attacks that I have found block-worthy. An annoying user, perhaps, but not one that I would consider blockable. Could you link me to his threats or attacks? FCYTravis 12:03, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See the mailing list - mail:WikiEN-l. – ABC D✉ 18:15, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Practically accusing me and others of child abuse isn't a personal attack? PurplePlatypus 02:57, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Javascript tools

I copied some of the tools from User:Trilobite/Tools, which is said to be copied from you. I am wondering if there is a relation between your morelinks() function and the one from User Styles/bottom tabs. I just renamed the other one to bottomtabs(), but I don't know js too well. — Omegatron 13:42, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Back in April, you closed a deletion discussion on what appears to have been a TV episode. That decision is now being challenged on Votes for Undeletion. Would you please take a minute to explain in more detail the reasoning you followed when closing the discussion? Thanks. Rossami (talk) 16:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion is at WP:VFU#Gary Takes a Bath. I am one of those finding the reasoning followed in the close hard to understand. DES ^(talk) 18:06, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Internal link to contributions

About your recent edit to my user page, I didn't know that it made a difference one way or the other; I think the URL's were formatted the other way when I put it in. Thanks for doing that though. I don't mind. :-) --Idont Havaname 19:09, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User Categorization

Hello! Please take a moment to remove your name from the Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Virginia page. Once all the names on that page have been removed, we can delete it.

To add your name to the category, please use the tag [[Category:Wikipedians in Viginia|ABCD]] to sort yourself correctly.

--skraz (talk) 15:15, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mind Benders

Sorry about the bot, but it isn't mine- all of it is AllyUnion's great work. Anyhow, I think he is still working out some bugs. I don't think the bot is technically capable of putting messages on a subpage, but I'll have to check. In either case, future messages will be slimmed down considerably- down to one sentence, and the notice on the bottom will also be cut short. If you would like to be removed from the list, just let me know. Also, you could consider going to the WP:MIND page, and put the Announcement Board page on your watchlist. Thanks for your understanding! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 19:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deleting a category

Please be more careful with speedying a category. Some anon (83.109.154.40 (talk • contribs)) had recategorized all articles in Category:Field Marshals of Nazi Germany to Category:Field Marshals of Germany and then tagged the former category as a speedy, which you then promptly deleted. This is the second time this anon tries to pull this stunt (im May 2005, he operated as 83.109.129.114 (talk • contribs))... Other edits performed clearly betray the agenda this user has: [2], [3], [4]. I've undeleted the category and undone all the harmful edits of this anon, and also left a note at Category talk:Field Marshals of Nazi Germany. BTW, this whole thing was just an attempt to bypass WP:CFD, after his earlier attempt to get the category deleted by due process had failed. Please remember to check the page history before speedying something. Lupo 07:57, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, there is no way to know if there were articles in a cat or not, really - it's not in the history. – ABC D✉ 16:44, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All the more reason to be careful. Checking the history would've shown you a comment reading "no consensus to delete", which should've been a dead giveaway that something fishy was going on there. Lupo 09:07, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Given that you've been removing instances of this templates, is there any reason why it shouldn't be used? Simply curious. JFW | T@lk 23:10, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to ask the same thing. Is there a style guideline on this point? I like to use the sup and sub templates because they are shorter. You also made a bunch of changes like ρ to ρ (which I don't have on my keyboard). Is there a particular reason to do that? --Art Carlson 19:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The {{sup|...}} to <sup>...</sup> is to reduce server load. It also isn't really any harder to read. The ρ → ρ edits are to shorten the length of the stored text - especially when there is a lot of Greek/Chinese/Japanese/etc. text on a page. – ABC D✉ 20:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulteama

The AfD for Ulteama has been repeatedly vandalized--blanked, delete votes changed to keep votes, etc. If you have a minute and you wouldn't mind, I was hoping you could close it as soon as possible (It's a 10/6 posting), to head off this stuff. Thanks. Chick Bowen 04:09, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking care of that. Chick Bowen

Articles for deletion

The bot is not a day behind. The discussions are listed for a total of 6 days. October 6 is not suppose to be listed on Old until the next UTC day. Any questions regarding bot operations and whether or not the bot is not functioning properly should be left with me. Thanks. --AllyUnion (talk) 06:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Monobook.css

I noticed that the appearance of my Wikipedia pages changed today, and after scratching my head and chasing things down, it appears that your change to Monobook.css is responsible. Unfortunately, that seems to have broken the ability to have links underlined in Firefox without installing a custom style sheet. (This is Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6.) I have "Underline Links" checked in Firefox Preferences, but they do not appear in Wikipedia using the Monobook skin. Other skins retained underlined links.

I would revert the change pending discussion (the last that appears on the Monobook.css Talk page is from June), but it appears to be beyond my technical expertise because of coming from Mediawiki, as is installing whatever is needed to override this until the matter is solved.

Your thoughts welcome. Thanks, MCB 23:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In Special:Preferences, under Misc, check your settings under "Underline links" - if it says "Browser Default", and it's not working, try "Always". If it says "Never", then that would be the problem - change it to "Browser Default" or "Always". – ABC D✉ 00:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. "Always" works, but "Browser Default" does not; in addition, adding the deleted line to a user sub-page monobook.css file does not work either, except briefly during the Preview part of the edit cycle. There is some weird interaction between the site CSS and Firefox, since I don't understand why "Browser Default" would not work here. MCB 07:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Schrödinger's cat

Your Schrödinger's cat <BLINK> thing is awesome. Nice work. :-) —deanos^{}{ Ł }{} 15:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Javascript New Messages

How difficult would it be to write some Javascript that told you when a certain page was editted - like the new messages bar? --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 17:40, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can you get god light to work with internet exploer http://sam.zoy.org/wikipedia/godmode-light.js --☺Adam1213☺ Talk +|WWW 01:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Firefox extension

Would you happen to know how to make a firefox extension using Javascript? It would be very simple and used to fight vandalism. The basic idea is to feed RC diff's into firefox, and let it determine which pages contain text (such as an obscenity) listed in a file. For pages that don't contain anything on this list, the tab is closed. The others remain open and ready to be examined. If you can't figure out how to hookup the IRC RC output into firefox, then it could be used with WP:CDVF to open new tabs in firefox to be checked. I found a guide to making extensions, but it says you need to know Javascript. Thanks. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-30 03:49

Formatting

I see you've got a regexp for formatting special characters.[5] I'm trying to write one for units; putting spaces before them, lowercasing kilo-, converting HTML entities into special characters, and one for dashes; creating em/en dashes and minus signs where appropriate. Something you'd be interested in?

(By the way, is this something we should definitely be doing? Does converting HTML entities into actual characters cause problems anywhere? It does make it more difficult to edit in external editors that don't support the extra characters. Are there any browsers that have the same problem in textareas?)

Another small problem is that you can't tell at a glance the difference between —, –, −, or µ, μ, or ⋅, · in the markup. — Omegatron 17:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Birthday

Award

Wiki birthday to you! Wiki birthday, dear ABCD! Wiki birthday to you!

Congratulations on your first Wikibirthday at Wikipedia (November 1, 2005.). On behalf of the community, we'd like to thank you for your countless edits in the past year! Keep it coming!.

This Wiki Birthday Balloon was awarded to you by: SoothingR

Welcome to Esperanza!

Welcome, ABCD/Archive 2, to Esperanza, the Wikipedia member association! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.

Now that you are a member, you might be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is the StressUnit, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. A spam list is maintained by Redwolf24 to keep members up to date; you might want to consider adding your name to the list. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.

In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Possibles.

I encourage you to take an active voice in the running of Esperanza. We have a small government system, headed by our Administrator general, Essjay, and guided by the Advisory Committee comprised of myself, Flcelloguy, Ryan Norton, and Acetic Acid. The next set of elections will be at the end of the year, and I would be glad to see you vote, or even consider running for a position.

If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact me via email or talk page. Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to be!

Bratsche^{talk | Esperanza} 22:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vote count

I recently stumbled upon the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Semitism in Poland page and I wonder why did you decide that there is no consensus there? Quick vote count shows that there were some 18 votes to keep, 29 to delete and further 7 to merge and redirect. What should be the vote ratio in order to state there was a consensus then?

Note that I'm asking out of sheer curiosity as I perfectly know the voting is over and the page itself does not exist any more. Halibu tt 01:51, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That actually was a very interesting debate, and in the end I couldn't determine if there was any consensus at all - it isn't just the votes, it's also the comments. If you look at the history, you'll see that I first said keep, then delete, then finally realized that there was no consensus at all, ergo keep - no consensus. – ABCD ^e✉ 01:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

formatting complaint

See [6]. You converted {{sub|2}} to {{subst:sub|2}} which ordinarily is a good thing, but you did it in the middle of a discussion explaining why someone would want to subst the sub template, and even changed instances that were surrounded by nowiki tags, making the whole thing unreadable. As you appear to be doing this with a bot, I suggest you stop it until such time as you teach it not to change things inside nowiki tags. Dragons flight 15:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed – ABCD ^e✉ 06:23, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

they use abusive and illegal measures

These are the arguments posted on the page of "Moldovan language".

For these facts many users have been blocked and more forced to accept an unilateral point of view of the Administrator Mikkalai and 16 years old Kid [[Node _ue]]. He does not bring arguments as we do, instead he uses his power to block many times (for one week or 24 h). Like for yourself, he warned you and mock on you saying that you don't have the right to say something.

I agree with you when you say to redirect to "Romanian language". Anyway "Romanian" was once recognized in the constitution as official language of the Moldova between 1991-1994 and many attempts to remake this were done.

"Moldovan language" is in fact indentical with Romanian language, renamed as a "language" for political reasons by the government. Although similar theories have been fielded for other languages, this proposal is now believed to have been made to serve political purposes only, and nobody has provided any evidence so-far towards the idea that Moldovan and Romanian are not from common linguistic stock.

The term "Moldovan" is also a soviet invention (see Dept. of State & CIA). A separate language based on these was declared and promoted for political reasons, in order to further advance a Moldovan identity separate from that of Romania.

The soviet Russians called people of Moldavia Republic: "Moldovan" because they wanted to create a new nation different from Moldavians/Romanians.

There is also in Romania a region called Moldova.

Russians manipulated people of Republic of Moldova and washed their brains to create a new person, the soviet "Moldovan". The real name in English is Moldavian, in Romanian is Moldovean and in Russian is Molidavanin. So "Moldovan" belongs to no language!

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1091/moldovan1qp.png

taken from Price, Glanville. Encyclopedia of the Languages of Europe. ISBN 0631220399; Blackwell Publishers, Oxford, UK; April 2000

Very interesting. For those who bother making a click on the link I will cite:

"The name 'Moldovan language' (in Russian, МОЛДaВCKИЙ ЯЗБIK 'moldavskii iazyk'); in Romanian, limbă moldovenească, or, in Cyrillic characters, ЛИMбЗ MOЛДОBeНЯCKЗ was applied in the Soviet Union, as during earlier periods of Russian occupation of the area in question, to the * Romance language used in the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic (corresponding more or less to the formerly Romanian territory of Bessarabia, annexed by the Soviet Union in 1940). In reality, 'Moldavian' is nothing else than the *Romanian language as spoken in Moldavia, i.e. both east of the river Prut in Bessarabia (now the Republic of Moldova) and west of the Prut in that part of the former province that remains as part of Romania. Claims made in the post-Second World War period by the Soviet linguists that 'Moldavian' should be recognized as a distinct Romance language were not taken into seriously by western scholars. Under Soviet domination, the *Cyrillic alphabet was in the use in the Moldavian SSR until the passing of a law on 31 August 1989 (i.e. before the break-up of the Soviet Union) proclaiming Moldavian as the official language of the Republic and the use of Latin script. Apart from a few lexical differences (mainly technical terms borrowed from Russian rather than, as in standard Romanian, from western languages), the written language was thenceforth indistinguishable from that in use in Romania and moves are afoot to harmonize the technical terminology of Moldova with that adopted in Romanian specialized dictionaries. After the Republic of Moldova declared its independence of the Soviet Union in 1991, its Constitution (1994) declared that the official language was limba moldoveneasca 'the Moldavian language'. At the time of writing, moves to have this amended to 'limba română' the Romanian language have not yet succeeded.

Heitmann, K., 1989, Moldauisch. In Holtus, G., Metzeltin, M. and Schmitt, C. (eds), Lexicon der Romanschinen Linguistik, Tübingen, vol 3. 508-21.

GLANVILLE PRICE"

Even at the internationally level (officially) is recognized that in Moldova the people speak romanian. Just for your record the US State Dept. (their foreign office), the french ministry of foreign affairs(France), the UK foreign office (UK), the german ministry of foreign affairs (Germany) are stating one think: in Moldova it is spoken romanian. romanian is the official language even if the name is moldovan. For the others motivated "moldovan language" followers please check the links:

German Foreign Ministry, Germany

http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/www/de/laenderinfos/laender/laender_ausgabe_html?type_id=2&land_id=113

US State Department, USA

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+md0027) ("..Stalin justified the creation of the Moldavian SSR by claiming that a distinct "Moldavian" language was an indicator that "Moldavians" were a separate nationality from the Romanians in Romania....")

France – Ministere des Affaires Etrangeres

http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/pays-zones-geo_833/moldavie_468/presentation-moldavie_1001/donnees-generales_23177.html

UK – Foreign & Commonwealth Office

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029394365&a=KCountryProfile&aid=1019672579768

Others except the Russian are in the same manner. All the western powers refuse the russification attempts.

Artificial creation of the "Moldavian language". Evolution from Romanian to so called Moldavian

Lately were discovered some facts that prove that the theory of the both languages romanian and "moldovan" - was prefab since the 1812-1918. Some important aspects of the problematics: functioning of the romanian language in the sphere of the laic education system from Bessarabia of the year 1812-1918, the attempts to codyfing the romanian language in conditions of a linguistic situations, causes that determined to degradation of the language compared with spoken romanian on the right side of the river Prut, taking out the name "romanian" and introducing the term "limba moldoveneasca", the intention of the tsarist government "to create a dialect neared to the slavic language".

In the first years of russian occupation (after 1812), because 95% of the population being romanians which they knew only their mother tongue, romanian was admitted as an official language in the institutions of Bessarabia, used along with russian. Gradually the russian language win importance. According to the dates offered by the Dept. for ruling the Bessarabia from 1828, the papers from bureau were held only in russian, and around 1835 it is established a term of 7 years time in which the state institutions will still accept acts in romanian language. As concerning the education, romanian was admitted as language of teaching only until 1842, after that being taught as a separate object. Thus, at the theological Seminar of Chişinău, romanian language is found on the list of compulsory subjects, with 10 hours weekly, until 1863, when the department of romanian is closed for good. At the highschool no. 1 from Chişinău the pupils had the right to choose between romanian and german or between romanian and greek until 9th of Feb. 1866, when the state counselor of the russian government interdicts teaching of the romanian language because the pupils "know this language in the practical mode, and its teaching follows other goals". Around 1871, the tsar published an ucaz "On the suspension of teaching the romanian language in the schools from Besserabia", because "In russian Empire are not taught local speeches".

Two examples of the identity were given: (one is from the constitution of both countries – see the identity)

Comparison Romanian/Moldavian

The example below demonstrates that a formal text in Romanian and Moldovan may be completely identical, the only difference being the spelling of the î vowel in the word vântul. The colloquial languages show more difference, which varies over the area.

Moldavian	Romanian	English
Vocala este un sunet din vorbirea omului, făcut cu trecerea sonoră, liberă şi fără piedică, a vîntului prin canalul sonor (compus din coardele vocale şi întreaga gură) sau un semn grafic care reprezintă un atare sunet.	Vocala este un sunet din vorbirea omului, făcut cu trecerea sonoră, liberă şi fără piedică, a vântului prin canalul sonor (compus din coardele vocale şi întreaga gură) sau un semn grafic care reprezintă un atare sunet.	The vowel is a sound in human speech, made by the sonorous, free and unhindered passing of the air through the sound channel (composed of the vocal chords and the whole mouth) or a graphic symbol corresponding to that sound.
Aşa bunăoară, avem şase vocale ce se fac cu vîntul ce trece prin gură, unde limba poate să se afle într-un loc sau altul şi buzele pot să stea deschise un soi sau altul.	Aşa bunăoară, avem şase vocale ce se fac cu vântul ce trece prin gură, unde limba poate să se afle într-un loc sau altul şi buzele pot să stea deschise un soi sau altul.	This way, we have six vowels that are produced by the air passing through the mouth, where the tongue can be in one place or another and the lips can be opened in one way or another.
Vocalele pot să fie pronunţate singure sau împreună cu semivocale sau consoane.	Vocalele pot să fie pronunţate singure sau împreună cu semivocale sau consoane.	The vowels can be pronounced alone or together with semivowels or consonants.

Second example is taken from the Constitution of Moldova and Romania. The identity is more than obvious.

so called Moldavian	Romanian	English
TITLUL I: Principii Generale	TITLUL I Principii Generale	FIRST TITLE: General Principles
Articolul 1 Statul Republica Moldova	Articol 1 Statul român	Article 1 (Romanian/Republic of Moldova State)
(1) Republica Moldova este un stat suveran şi independent, unitar şi indivizibil.	(1) România este stat naţional, suveran şi independent, unitar şi indivizibil.	(1) Romania/Republic of Moldova is a national, independent, unity and undestructible state.
2) Forma de guvernămînt a statului este republica.	(2) Forma de guvernământ a statului român este republica.	(2) The form of the guvernment of the state is republic.
(3) Republica Moldova este un stat de drept, democratic, în care demnitatea omului, drepturile şi libertăţile ...	(3) România este stat de drept, democratic şi social, în care demnitatea omului, drepturile şi libertăţile ...	Romania/Republic of Moldova is a state of low, democratic, in which the human dignity, rights and liberties...
[[7]]	[[8]]	Links to the official page of Constitution for both countries

As you can obvious see from these examples they are identical. We speak here about one language. But they Mikkalai and Node_ue don't accept such examples and they constantly delete them without any argument. They delete them because the examples demonstrates all …

Assistance required

Hi, I'm seeking assistance in a minor formatting issue. I started at the top of the Administrator list looking for someone with programming experience; you are pretty close to the top. My dilemma is on my home page [9] where I have generated a list of the articles and then decided they looked better in columns. I have discovered by putting them in columns it breaks the number listing within a sub-heading. Do you know if there is a way to maintain the list with sequential numbers within the sub-heading? Sorry if I intruded on you here, if you can help me it would be great, if not can you recommend anybody else that may be able to assist me. HJKeats 18:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at your page now, I hope this is what you wanted :-) – ABCD ^e✉ 22:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect, thank-you for your help. HJKeats 23:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

why are you changing formatting from HTML to this non-ASCII "unicode"?

i'm looking at Dimensional analysis and the editing you did is unreadable in my browser. must everyone update their browser to read what was previously visible just because someone makes totally unnecessary changes? r b-j 18:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]