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Hello, please be aware of the Manual of Style when editing articles. In particular, section headings should use sentence case, for example "External links" not "External Links" and there is only one blank one between text and a heading. Thanks, Rich257 (talk) 07:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Geo coordinates for railway stations[edit]

You might be interested in work going on in this area, discussed here. In short, we understand that you're adding links to railway station articles pointing them at npemaps. We're using those pointers to generate {{coord}} entries for each article. There's probably scope for some efficiencies if we work together. Sadly I'm at work right now, but I'll come back to you in six or eight hours to discuss some more. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I've responded here, FYI. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Shepherdswell (EKLR) station[edit]

The station is not closed, it is open as part of the East Kent Railway. Mjroots (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Inworth railway station[edit]

  • Many thanks for correcting the external link, it was driving me mad as to why it wasn't working. Thanks again. Paste (talk) 08:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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Railway stations missing coordinates[edit]

I just thought I'd let you know that I've added more stations to User:The Anome/Disused UK railway stations still lacking coordinates as of Nov 2008. Thanks for all your efforts! Kind regards, The Anome (talk) 11:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

KESR diagram[edit]

In BR days, the junction was on the Tonbridge side of the station. Just checked my copy of Pre-Grouping Railway Junction Diagrams 1914 and I see that the original junction was 4 chains on the Ashford side of the station. Mjroots (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I've reverted the template back to original layout. Mjroots (talk) 20:12, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Have you seen the improved diagram lately? Mjroots (talk) 06:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I've been watching the K&ESR diagram and articles over the last few weeks as they've grown and am mightily impressed. I'll be giving it all a good read when the dust of your activity finally settles. Regards Efficacy (talk) 19:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Closed stations Buckinghamshire[edit]

Well done for creating this template. Funnily enough, I'd been thinking of making one, but you've done all the work instead! Thanks. Oliver Fury, Esq. message • contributions 19:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

File:Corton windmill.jpg[edit]

Hi, am I right in thinking that this file has a white border? If so, would it be possible to remove it as it's creating a display issue. I'm working on a list of windmills in Suffolk in my sandbox if you want to take a look. Mjroots (talk) 19:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

New image without white border uploaded. Efficacy (talk) 18:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Lowestoft Corporation Tramways[edit]

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Fordham railway station[edit]

I don't know if you are aware but there is a planning application to demolish Fordham railway station. The article seems to have gone from the Ely Standard's website, but exists in Google's cache. I thought you might be interested as I notice you have been to Lord's Bridge. Rich257 (talk) 20:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Murrow stations[edit]

Hi, Re: Murrow North station. As far as I'm aware this should be Murrow East, and that's the name shown in the list of closed stations and Clinker's Register. I have copied the (re-titled) article across to a new Murrow East article. Perhaps the listing in the closed stations of Cambridgahire box needs altering too and the original article needs deleting / re-directing? The same applies to Murrow South which should be Murrow West. Incidentally, I'm almost certain there was a very late chord connecting these two stations after the line to Peterborough (?) closed. I need to find out about that... Eramaps —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eramaps (talkcontribs) 18:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, Thanks for the Move Page tip. You'll gather I'm just learning wiki! I'm doing some research which will take through just about every station name eventually so it is bound to come in handy... Eramaps (talk) 19:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thornhill railway station[edit]

Apologies. My bad. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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Template:Closed stations Kent[edit]

Re {{Closed stations Kent}}, Isn't Kings Ferry North Halt the same as Swale North Halt? If so, a redirect needs to be created and the link removed from the template. I've removed Rye Harbour from the template as the line was in Sussex. Mjroots (talk) 16:52, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Butt & Dewick (Complete Atlas of Railway Station Names) tell me that Kings Ferry Bridge North Halt was (unsurprisingly) on the north side of the bridge and kept the same name from its opening by SE&C on 1 Mar 1922 until its closing on 1 Nov 1923. To the south of the bridge, and south of the present Swale station, was Ridham Dock Halt (op Nov 1917 SE&C) which was renamed Kings Ferry Bridge South Halt on 1 Mar 1922, and further renamed Swale Halt on 1 Jun 1929, eventually closing 20 Apr 1960 when Swale opened. User:Lamberhurst may have some better data in a book (Colonel Cobb's atlas) declared in [this discussion]. Regards Efficacy (talk) 22:03, 18 November 2009 (UTC).
I've replied on the template's talk page. Mjroots (talk) 06:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Subbrit links[edit]

Hi, I see you are doing a lot of subbrit links. There is a shorthand template that might make it easier:

Scillystuff (talk) 23:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


This is a long shot, but I've seen that you've uploaded images from Corton. If you happen to live in the area and have the time at some point (not urgent) to get a pic of the old station before it disappears, that would be much appreciated as it seems to be the last station standing on the Yarmouth/Lowestoft line. Lamberhurst (talk) 22:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I took a photo of Corton station building in late 2008 from the non-platform side. What I could see of the building was in good condition (unlike the impression given by the platform-side 2007 image linked from the article), the canopy that I could see was reasonable, the grounds were well tended and there were some newish cars parked outside. I made a note at the time that it was now converted into two residential properties, which hopefully means it will be preserved/restored. Efficacy (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
There is an image on commons as well, but I can't link it to the article as there is a different file of the same name in - I have asked for the name of the commons image to be changed to Corton railway station.jpg. Scillystuff (talk)
Good stuff, I've added the renamed image to the article. Shame they haven't turned more of this line into a cycleway/footpath. I suppose most people prefer the coastal path. Lamberhurst (talk) 19:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


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Halesworth railway station[edit]

I sat on this for a while, I was considering a separate article for the Southwold station, because it's shown as a separate station on old maps (see here and click on the "Enlarge Map" button in the "1884 Pre-WWII 1:2500 - Suffolk" box. The orange "Enhanced Zoom" button allows you to get extremely close in, and you'll see that there are both "Station" and "Station (Southwold Raily)". --Redrose64 (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I was also considering a separate article, but decided just to put the Southwold Railway text in its own section and maybe revisit later. Just noticed that the Template for the East Suffolk Line had recently been edited to show Halesworth as one station with a junction, so I have changed it back to cross platform interchange symbols which accurately describe its passenger and goods operations. A similar situation existed at Headcorn where the K&ESR had a platform as its northern terminus, and so far this has remained as a single station article to cover the open and closed lines. Incidently, Tony Dewick's book "The Complete Atlas of Railway Station Names" shows a Holton station/halt/platform between Halesworth and Wenhaston. Do you have any record of Holton in your books? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Efficacy (talkcontribs) 19:46, 11 April 2011
No - there's nothing in Butt, the Ian Allan Pre-grouping Atlas, or in McCarthy & McCarthy; but the 1884 1:2500 map (like that mentioned above) shows a siding for Holton Farm at grid reference TM405770, on the north side of the line, the junction faces Wenhaston. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:34, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

East Suffolk Line[edit]

"Halesworth was not a junction of East Suffolk Line & Southwold Railway; it operated as a cross platform interchange." That means there's only one station there, doesn't it? Britmax (talk) 22:28, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

The above post was me with a rant on one of my pet hates, the showing of two stations at junctions where there is ony one. It happens at Stourbridge Branch Line as well. One of the problems I have with it is that is hard to distinguish places where there really were separate stations, Liskeard or Audley End for example. However I apologise for ranting at you, I should probably aim it at one of the projects or the RDT talk page, and will if I still think it matters enough later today. Britmax (talk) 08:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Britmax - see thread immediately previous to this one, and the link I put in my first sentence there. Also, Butt (p.112) gives two stations. The simple fact is: Halesworth couldn't have been a junction, because the Southwold Railway was narrow-gauge. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
No offence taken. I enjoy and appreciate a good subject-related rant. Anyway, in my opinion the cross platform interchange symbols generally imply one station serving two or more lines, see Cross-platform interchange, but could be used for two or more stations on their own lines if they operate together accordingly, so my edit did not intend to take sides on that issue, but just to make the diagram represent "how it operated". Efficacy (talk) 19:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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Lowestoft postcard[edit]

This old postcard from c1912 seems to be of a scene outside Lowestoft station. It looks a little too rural to me to be Lowestoft Central; would you have any ideas? Possible clue - those look like tram pylons in the background. Lamberhurst (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

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(talk page stalker) They do look like tram standards, and you can see grooved tram tracks in the road between stone setts. The wires are parallel and quite close together which suggests that the cars had trolley poles rather than pantographs or bow collectors. Lowestoft never had trolleybuses, but did have trams - there was only one electric tram route in Lowestoft, but I don't know which roads it ran along! It was of 3'6" gauge and there were 19 tramcars. It opened 22 July 1903 but I don't have a closure date.
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I suspect Lowestoft North which was on the edge of town several decades ago. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Lowestoft North was what I had in mind, especially as there were military camps on the nearby North Denes. If that's the case, this could be Yarmouth Road (now the A12). The Lowestoft Corporation Tramways article mentions that the tram had its terminus on the A12 (and that the system closed on 8 May 1931) but as I haven't seen any images of the station from this angle, I wondered if any local knowledge could clarify the question. Lamberhurst (talk) 21:53, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Definitely the A12 at Lowestoft North. The house on the left is still there, now within (or surrounded by) the grounds of the Denes High School. The picture is on page 43 of Lowestoft Corporation Transport by Malcolm R White, where it is described as showing the 4th Battalion Suffolk Regiment marching from Lowestoft North station to their camp. The tram track along this northernmost section of the Lowestoft system was little used and, according to Lowestoft Tramways by David Mackley, Board of Trade approval for its removal was granted in 1918. Efficacy (talk) 13:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Great, many thanks. We now have an image for Lowestoft North station! Lamberhurst (talk) 08:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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