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English Wikipedia[edit]

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Kingdom of Serbia[edit]

I am warning you to stop vandalizing article Kingdom of Serbia. Any changes you can discuss on talk page. --Mladifilozof (talk) 22:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Are you crazy? Do you know what you´re talking about? Disagreing with your highly doubtfull POV is not vandalizing. Please, don´t adress me no more. I don´t want to have any contact with you. FkpCascais (talk) 22:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
I urge you to read and join in the conversation if this matter at WP:WQA#personal attack before this escalates any further. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

History of the Baltic States (Art. Kęstutis Ruzgys)[edit]

Lithuania wasn't part of SSSR. --Bot-iww (talk) 09:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Kosovan autonomy[edit]

Good point Cascais. The situation is like this: Kosovo in its current shape was demarcated first in 1946 and given some nominal autonomy. If this is what certain parties are trying to suggest then that is correct. However, what was passed to Kosovo that year was very little, so to appease dissident factions, the autonomy was extended in various stages with every new constitution until it reached its peak in 1974. Only from then until 1990 did it have privileges outside of SR Serbia's jurisdiction. Either way, I'll see if I can help matters. Thanks. Evlekis (talk) 21:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm very glad you are satisfied. Yes I shall watch the other user's activities. By all means, keep an eye on any edit-warring yourself as I shall certainly need your help if he insists upon using edits like those recently witnessed. I'm off for the night. We'll stay in touch. Evlekis (talk) 23:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Moving pages[edit]

As I don't know as much about football as you, I wasn't originally sure whether the article I moved really belonged to the page I sent it. The "ič" ending is how it would have been if he were Slovene in origin, but I checked both variations on the search engines and found the Serbian form to be the accurate variation. If there are others as such, all you need to do is click on [Move] at the top of the page and then on the next section, insert the name of the page you wish to redirect the erroneous title. I can use the Latinic letters on my own keyboard when I select Croatian ([HR]), if you haven't got this configuration then you can copy/paste from the millions of examples online. If you are having difficulties, tell me which pages need moving and I'll gladly carry out the task. Thanks. Evlekis (talk) 20:29, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Terrible Bulgarian nationalism[edit]

I have answered on the talk page of the Kingdom of Serbia.

I know that Nis and Lescovac are among the poorer Serbian regions but still what made me impression there were those pleskavitsi. Well, I might be a patriot, on certain occasions even nationalist but we don't have anything that compares it. Our kyufte just sucks in comparison with them, they are soooooo tasty (Can you make them at home?). And another thing was the girls, most of them were really very beautiful and I did not see a single fat one (obviously that is coincidence but still...) In fact both cases I was in Serbia to do work, not for fun but it was a pleasant experience both times. --Gligan (talk) 11:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Марио Остојић[edit]

Прво би хтео да се захвалим за све чланке који си направио! Заиста сјајно изгледају и не знам где си ископао све те податке! Имао сам прилику да се упознам са Остојићем неколико пута али знам само основне информације. Могао би да пробам да га контактирам па да направимо чланак ако хоћеш.

Поздрав!

Tempo21 (talk) 07:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Марио Остојић 2[edit]

Питао сам за његов имејл па чекам одговор. Потражићу интернет мада ћу ту тешко да нађем. Рекао би да није страни играч наравно али ето пошто је играо за млађе селекције Канаде не знам како се званично важи.

Tempo21 (talk) 07:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

About Mladifilozof[edit]

Hello again FkpCascais. Thanks for your message. Don't worry, you don't have to explain to me that you're not a heavyweight nationalist who hates other ethnicities, I know you are not. Naturally you are a soccer enthusiast who happens to be Serbian and you rightfully feel protective when you see your nation misrepresented. Likewise, I have followed your edits in the past and have seen with my own eyes that you contribute towards Albanian-related subjects; let's face it, a fair chunk of our priciple (yours and mine) involves ensuring accurate birthplace information and seeing that naming conventions are observed. This may often mean preserving the feats of ethnic Albanians in opposition to hostile outsiders.

I won't be dishonest wth you. It appears to me that Mladifilozof is without a doubt Serbophobic. There is nothing you or I can do about that; no amount of friendly conversation or appeal to his conscience can alter his views. So far, he has demonstrated this by gleefully siezing every opportunity to tarnish every aspect of Serbian culture, from their existence to their ideologies. I will however be fair about him on two accounts: 1) he discusses on the talkpages and remains polite, not engaging in personal attacks and thereby observing WP conditions; 2) he is not militant; you don't see him involved in edit wars. In fact, that second point is the reason I am not too keen to rush straight to admins to report his activity. You see, he is free to edit as are we; as long as he obeys the rules, we don't actually have a case against him. However, being free to edit ourselves, we can reformat much of the information he has provided - removing parts while inserting other parts into context and so creating a factual encyclopaedic article which he will then see that he is unable to amend. I think we did all right with Kingdom of Serbia involvong his wall of text. I examined it from top to bottom and kept some parts whilst rewriting others, so far it has faced no criticism. And don't think that just because nobody edits an article after you've made your mark that nobody notices it. They do: ALL Serbia/Albania related subjects are highly sensitive, and frequently monitored both by interested parties and neutral outsiders. This neatly leads me to another point, so far Mladifilozof has not won the sympathy of any other editor; not even those hardline Albanian editors (and there are a fair few of those). He is clearly working alone, but that is another reason we need to be reasonable with him.

Let him exploit his freedom, then we will revise and modify any defamatory editing; we will do this by using the discussion pages too, and everyone will be happy with nobody reported to admins. It will far better for you and me in the far future when it is seen that we have a healthy rapport with other users radically opposed to us. Is that all right? Evlekis (talk) 14:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Sorry you feel bitter about the scenario. By the way, I never for one minute suggested that all your edits of soccer articles are based on birthplace information, far from it. I see you have made major contributions and I hope you keep it up. You're right about articles being poorly presented and many of them are just plain short, in need of expanding. I confess that I knew very little about Mladifilozof's past. I guess that I was trying to say that he does not engage in edits wars at the moment. He is heeding the warning which is for his own good. Well the only promise I can make you is that I will keep a close eye on these sensitive issues and will intervene boldly if I feel he has introduced inappropriate material. I don't wish to see users spreading hate messages any more than you but then I am not discouraged or in any way downhearted just because I am compelled to engage in an edit war. I simply have to find a way or doing so creatively so it does not bare the hallmarks of two knuckleheads forever reverting each other. Hang on in there, you're doing a great job! Evlekis (talk) 21:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

World of Soccer Cup[edit]

Hi Cascais, thanks for the feedback concerning Zvezda's winning of the World of Soccer Cup.

I must admit I had just skimmed through the article referenced for the World of Soccer Cup wikipedia entry, and didn't notice that the competition consisted of two parts. However, the kerrydalestreet.com article is not clear whether the tournament in Singapore and the mini-league in Australia were considered separate competitions, and it implies that these were just two parts of the same thing, with the final winner being Celtic who were eventually given the cup pictured in the article. If that is the case, then Zvezda can only be considered runners-up.

On the other hand, it is possible that the article is biased since it was written by a Celtic fan and that the author simply forgot to mention that Zvezda also won some silverware in Singapore. In my opinion, unless we can prove that Zvezda did win some trophy in Singapore (probably by visiting Zvezda's trophy room or writing to them), we must assume that what kerrydalstreet.com article says is correct and that only one trophy was awarded (to Celtic). If Zvezda DID win the tournament in Singapore and have something to show for it, than the Singapore tournament was obviously a separate event, which would mean that it was not the World Soccer Cup that the wikipedia article is talking about. And I doubt that is the case. Cheers. Timbouctou (talk) 05:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit war at Dimitrije Tucović[edit]

Note the page is protected due to the content dispute. Please work with the other editor on the talk page of the article to come to consensus to resort the conflict. Once you've come to a solution let us know here to completely unprotect the article, or here to make a single series of changes without complete unprotection (should there be a few outstanding issues). If discussion on talk pages proves difficult, please review the guidance at WP:DR. Thanks, NJA (t/c) 13:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Reply about c and ć[edit]

The reason I am moving all these last names is because someone that lives in Los Angeles does not have a keyboard with the letter ć, so if he or she searches for Vladimir Karalic, the page will not come up. But now that I have moved Vladimir Karalić to Vladimir Karalic, this is possible.

Reply...[edit]

Yes, I had a problem with Ninoslav Milenkovic....

If I typed this in, it would not even find him....not even give me some other options.

Reply...[edit]

No, every Bosnian/Serbia/Croatian/Slovenian player that I ever edited, I did the same thing.

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Personal attacks[edit]

Please remove this personal attack now. Calling editors selfish and stupid is highly uncivil. Knepflerle (talk) 20:02, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

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Montenegrin language issue[edit]

Hello again FkpCascais. What I am writing here, I could have written on the page where the discussion on Montenegrin language conventions is taking place but I decided to write this particular one here because this is intended to be personal (as opposed to public talk pages where one is primarily addressing an entire community even if directing comments towards one individual) and I don't want you to feel that I am attacking your position, something else you might have felt if I used the project page.

I've followed the main parts of the discussion involving Rave92; he is another user with whom I have previously communicated such as you. Now are you absolutely aware of the full extent of Montenegro's legal status and language issue? The Montenegrin speaker in Parliament (Ranko Krivokapić) officially announced that Montenegrin was to become the new official language within the constitution replacing Serbian. That said, a majority still declares its language Serbian and this as you know, goes beyond the Serbian population. However, baring in mind that if we are dealing with an outright Montenegrin issue, a person who is known to identify as Montenegrin, born in Montenegro, associating only with Montenegro and in a land which officially refers to all internal communication (written and spoken) as Montenegrin, do you still wish to apply the obsolete term Serbian to the article? If so, on what grounds? Answer this anywhere you feel best, project page, here, or my talk page. Thanks. Evlekis (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

OVSKI/OSKI[edit]

Good question! The honest answer is, I don't know!! :) I confess to being an -eski myself and people often incorrectly write me down as -evski and the same thing happened on the marriage certificate for my father's second wife. She is written as -evska when the other was intended. In the Prilep region of Macedonia, from where we originate, there is no leading /v/ before the skis. My guess is that one of the examples you gave (father or son) is most probably incorrect but has been fossilised in the inaccurate form. Either that, or we could have a case similar to the recent change I made from to . Evlekis (talk) 01:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if half are wrongly spelt or if any are. It may honestly be the case that one writes his name differently from the parents. Evlekis (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

In the case of two variant forms, simply use both names as equal headwords using the article name first. After the introduction (say the article is Xoxoski and you have stated also Xoxovski), continue to use Xoxoski. Place sources by each name so as to give the following appearance:

Petre Petreski [1] or Petre Petrevski [2] [3]...is a Macedonian drug dealer etc.. As you have something of a leading role, I doubt anyone will judge your decision which name you gived as primary. But if someone comes forward and moves the page or suggests moving it to Petrevski because his medical and army records are published as such, as well as his criminal record file by the fraud office, then by all means accept that person's information. That's my advice. Evlekis (talk) 22:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

José Espinal[edit]

He played at Italian Serie D in 2003-04 season. [1] Can you find which games he played in Albania? Footballdatabase have error, likes Filipe Melo. Matthew_hk tc 10:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is the match report [2] Nuova Albano is NOT Dinamo of Albania. Zerozero is wrong. Matthew_hk tc 10:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
calciatori.com say he left for NUOVA ALBANO. [3]. According the rule in Lga Liga foreigners list (and in Serie A), inside the list were played at least once at the respective league. Please find a match report to prove he actually made hit debut on Albanian Superliga before added him to the list. Matthew_hk tc 10:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi Mat. I remember this. You removed him from the list (I have all lists under watch) because your argument was "No source", and that is why I undo your edit. I don´t know the matches, but there are a hand full of sources saying he played there in that season. Hey, I´m not saying they are all right, but you can´t say that there are no sources. Just make a google search on Espinal,Dinamo,Tirana and, I´ll check, wait... here! Playerhistory.com, Soccerterminal.com, Footmercato.net, Zerozerofootball.net, Footballdatabase.eu, Footballtransfers.com, curriously enough, Transfermarkt-Espinal transfers is in your side now!

Hey, I´m not saying he surely played there. I don´t know, neither care much. But, your edit argument, about "no source" just isn´t right. You have to try to be less arrogant in your edits, and explain them, nobody here is your enemy. Hey, I even admit, you are probably right. But, so many sites saying he played there, hmmmm..., there must be something. Maybe he went for trials there... If you know anyone to have access to Playerhistory, there you could see how many games he played there. FkpCascais (talk) 10:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I think someone play vandalism to these site, submitting wrong information to these site request them to update, so my primary argument is, use these site if lack to more reliable one. Juliano Pescarolo Martins is corrected by me, by submit a real information to zerozero. Matthew_hk tc 10:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

About Espinal, try to speak with the list editor (its not me), he may know well Albanian football, or maybe post the question to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football? Hey, maybe what happend (my speculation) is something like the Spanish Antonio Moreno Ruiz in my favourite club Partizan Belgrade. He was signed from Sevilla in June 2007. He played there the summer tournaments, European cups qualification, and (not sure) maybe the first August League matches. Then in beggining of September, a nice offer from Mallorca came for him. Partizan sell him, and he continued his career in Lorca, as loaned from Mallorca. So, for 2007-08 season, he was Partizan, Lorca, and Mallorca player: Partizan (6/2007-9/2007), Lorca (9/2007-1/2008-Loan), Mallorca (1/2008-5/2008). So, by your standard, was he or not Partizan player? FkpCascais (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

FIFA only allowed player to play for 2 clubs from 1 July to 30 June each year or "calender season?" (except winter league switch to summer league, or he played a playoffs of previous season but after 1 July), but i don't know Serie D (non-professional football) count or not, Players could allowed to register for up to three clubs in a season. So, find a source which game he played at the start of 2003-04 season in Albania. FIFA always allowed international transfer all the season for free agent. Matthew_hk tc 11:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I´m just trying to help. I´m not an Albanian football specialist, neither I include D.Tirana club in the players article. But, for the list purpose, you just can´t argue that is unsourced. I don´t know Albanian football stats sites, and I have much else I wish to do first. I told you: Playerhistory is considered reliable, so please, try to find someone who has access to it (I don´t) and ask him to tell you what says after the Albanian flag. Hey, I´m glad to help, but I´m not going to search the net about him, sorry. You can also speak with the list editor, he seems to be Albanian football expert. FkpCascais (talk) 11:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I see, you deleted it anyway. Well, I want revert you, but I honestly think that you should have discussed it first with the editor of that page. Again, he knows much more about Albanian football, and he can revert you, because he does have sources. Hey, neither Albanian Superleague neither Serie D are pro leagues, so he could have played in both that season, having the list editor the right to include him. FkpCascais (talk) 11:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Instead of 2003-04 season, a forum post wrote he joined in September 2004, which is more possible as he played only 4 matches for Sapri. Matthew_hk tc 12:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Just remember, we love football and statistics, so we shouldn´t be enemies, we should allways be friends. :) FkpCascais (talk) 12:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Blažo Pešikan[edit]

Haha...ne pravim razliku između ćirilice i latinice. To su naša dva pisma zvanična! Još uvek ne mogu ništa da nađem o Mariju Ostojiću a hteo sam da te pitam ako bi mogli zajedno da napravimo članak o Blaži Pešikanu koji je igrao za klubove poput Partizana, Sutjeske i Hajduka iz Kule.

Možda ima nešto na onom sajtu ali ne mogu da nađem dovoljno informacije o njemu da bi napravio članak.

Možda nešto znaš i o Nenadu Stojčiću koji je igrao za Rad i u Torontu za Srpske bele orlove?

Veliki pozdrav!

Tempo21 (talk) 20:57, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Serbian Superliga[edit]

Olá meu caro amigo,

Eh pá, desculpa a sério, eu pensava que, independentemente da divisão ter um nome recente (agora sei que é desde 2006), servia para designar todos os jogadores (mesmo dos anos 30, etc) que tinham jogado na primeira divisão Jugoslava e/ou Sérvia (uma vez que não há uma categoria para ligas CROATA, BÓSNIA, etc). Desculpa o meu erro, não volta a acontecer.

Abraços também,

VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Apologies[edit]

Sorry, I didn't check who had created the page, I skipped streight to fact checking. The player certainly never played for River Plate or even appeared in a squad listing for the club. It seems that the only way that he could be considered notable is if he played first team football for OFK Beograd.

The reason I thought it might be an erroneous article is the fact that the Transfermarkt profile was deleted and the existence of some other players called Diego Suarez who has played lower league (semi-pro) football in Argentina and Spain and another called Diego Alejandro Suarez who was a youth team player at River Plate and currently plays for Central Córdoba. Neither of them are worthy of an article in my opinion, and I guess that someone at Transfermarkt got confused and created a hybrid article. If that is where you got your career chronology you may wish to amend the infobox if you consider the article worth keeping.

Apologies again for using the word hoax, even if the article creator was not a reliable editor of your standing, the correct wording would still have been "erroneous article". Regards King of the North East 19:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

This is my list of sources for Argentine football. Some are good, others not so good, If he played in Argentina between 1990 and the present he would certainly have an article here (apellido = surname).
As for Paraguayan league stats, I know of nothing useful, web coverage of their league is very poor compared to larger nations like Argentina, Brazil, Peru. Although Uruguay has half the population of Paraguay and Tenfield is brilliant. Anyhow, don't worry about a thing, I have also created some articles on players I truly believed were going to be world class (Pablo Vitti) who turned out to be duffers. Regards King of the North East 22:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Наравно![edit]

Ајде да се договоримо...

Tempo21 (talk) 00:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Non Free Images in your User Space[edit]

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Barnstar[edit]

65px The Serbian Barnstar of National Merit
For major contribution in expanding and creating Serbia related articles. Tadija (talk) 15:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
This WikiAward was given to FkpCascais by Tadija (talk) on 15:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, wait a sec. Let me wake up and see if this is real. ... It is, great! It´s a dream come trouth, many thanx!!! FkpCascais (talk) 20:26, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

This is only for ones that deserve it! :) All best, my friend! --Tadija (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Блажо Пешикан[edit]

Прво би хтео о Пешикану да направимо!

Tempo21 (talk) 21:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Matías Quiroga[edit]

Hi, Since you are proficient at Spanish could you help me to figure out what is going on with this bloke. See my comments here about the three contradictory sources. I think the article as I've improved it accuratly describes the player who now plays for Colo Colo but there is obviosly a lot of confusion.

As for Argentine women, I married one! Regards King of the North East 23:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I recently found this page perhaps you would be interested in joining the competition? King of the North East 23:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I've probably already done a few thousand over the years. Jogurney got a 2 week headstart for the 500 prize he signed up on 22 Jan so he's done 250+ already (the man is the king slayer of unsourced footballer BLP). I'm going to try and finish the task in 2nd place. Regards King of the North East 00:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I've been on a stop start BLP crusade since at least April 2008 I don't think it's worth trying to find every player I've sourced, that wouldn't help the current problem, but I'm tempted to include them on the list as I find them while I trawl for other unsourced articles. King of the North East 01:25, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: your question at User:The_Wordsmith/BLP_sourcing[edit]

"Can someone explain to me how can I make a list of all articles I sourced recently?"

You'll just have to look through your own contributions list and pick out the articles you remember fixing up. You don't have to make a list of the articles you worked on, though -- it's nice to list your progress, but not necessary.--Father Goose (talk) 07:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Many thanx Father Goose for answering me. Since I´m not allways as updated as I could be, I touth that maybe there is now some tool that can do this counting of sourced articles by us, hoping that way to avoid the borring work of doing it by going into my contibs historial. I have donne some good amount of articles by grabbing some country and doing the list. But, that was some weeks ago from now, so this days I have been quite bussy updating all the changes that happend in this transfer window. But, I promise that as soon as I finish, I´ll continue with the sourcing of articles deserving to stay here. Many thanx again, and best regards Father Goose! FkpCascais (talk) 17:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Miloš Miljanić[edit]

Hi, perhaps you could find some details of this guy's career before he went to Central America? The inclusion of Yugoslavia in the nationalteams part of the infobox seems to be unsourced. Regards King of the North East 17:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

Hello, I've left you a message on my talk page. Timbouctou (talk) 22:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

MLS player category[edit]

In most cases you would be correct that it is possible that a member of a team is not necessarily part of a league, so a member of Category:Manchester United F.C. players is not necessarily a member of Category:Premier League players, but in the case of Major League Soccer all members of a team category are also members of Category:Major League Soccer players. The reason for this is that MLS does not have promotion and relegation and when a team joins the league it does so as an entirely new team. So when Seattle Sounders FC joined MLS, it was as an entirely new franchise, not as the NASL team or the USL team. There are a few exceptions to this because MLS has a pool of goalkeepers that are not assigned to a specific team, but can be used by any team in case of emergency. As an example, Ben Dragavon is a member of the MLS player category because he is part of the GK pool, but he is also a member of the Seattle Sounders FC player category because he made an appearance for the Sounders. --Bobblehead (rants) 04:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

In the case of MLS, it is literally not possible to be a member of the team and not also a member of Major League Soccer. MLS has established itself as a "single entity" where all contracts are with the league and not with specific teams, so even if a player were to play in a competition (let's say CONCACAF Champions League), but never play in a regular season game they would still be a Major League Soccer player because their contract is with MLS and not with the team. Additionally, MLS owns all of its teams, so if a team were to fold, like Tampa Bay Mutiny and Miami Fusion did in 2002, that team completely ceases to exist and can not be reformed in a different league. --Bobblehead (rants) 04:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Regarding your note...[edit]

... replied on my talk page. Have a nice day. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

... and again. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 02:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Dino Đurbuzović[edit]

Hi Filip. Thank you for the kind message. Strukljeva.net is a pretty good site for Yugoslav footballers from the 1980's (it's difficult to work with, but occasionally I find some players there). I was surprised that I couldn't find any sources for his spell in Turkey, but I'll try again some time. Unfortunately, the article is in poor condition, and he seems like a fairly important player (played in the top leagues of Yugoslavia and Turkey).

I noticed you have done a lot of BLP sourcing as well. Keep up the great work and best regards. Jogurney (talk) 17:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Kosovo, 1983[edit]

Hi FkpCascais, how is it going?

This edit caught my eye or better to say it's edit summary, on which you wrote: "Countrybirth correction (at his year of birth, 1983, SR Kosovo was a province of SR Serbia in the COUNTRY called SFR Yugoslavia.".

What I wanted to comment is that, Kosovo was not part of Serbia on 1983. From 1974 to 1989, it was part of Yugoslavia.

And yes, you are right, SFR Yugoslavia was the birthplace of Lorik Cana on 1983 (as we have discussed in the past). All the best. kedadial 00:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, in that article, my edit summary should have been SAP Kosovo. Please read that article before making statements like the one you did on my talk page. Personally, I wouldn´t mind that Kosovo became independent (I even support a quick resolution, even if that is to become the outcome), but please, stop rewritting the history. In 1983 Kosovo was part of Serbia, like it or not. In 1983, Kosovo was SAP Kosovo, (as the name "SAP" means, "Socialisticka Autonomna Pokrajna", meaning "Socialist Autonomous Province") a province of SR Serbia, that was a Republic of SFR Yugoslavia. Agree? FkpCascais (talk) 00:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Actually you are right, my bad. It still technically was part of SR Serbia though largely autonomous and veto power on the federal level. kedadial 01:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
So I really hope you agree that there is nothing wrong with my edit. We can change the future, but we can´t change the past. :) FkpCascais (talk) 01:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Your edit was actually right, I just commented on the edit summary (based on what I have remembered and not what it really was). Thank you. kedadial 01:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


Re:About Draža[edit]

What in the world makes you think I'm acting on my feelings and not on the five or so university publications I've listed in the article? Seems to me you might be the one who's preconceptions about this person may have been challenged by the cold hard facts I've based the edits on. Rest assured, before I completed the research on the subject, I did not edit the article. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

User:FkpCascais, you have no idea how many times I've had this conversation. Please read the discussions on Talk:Draža Mihailović and Talk:Chetniks. I recommend you read the Chetniks article's Axis collaboration section as well, it has selected information extracted almost verbatim from very high quality scholarly sources. Most of all, I recommend you set some time aside and read The Chetniks by Prof. Jozo Tomasevich, published by Stanford (you'll find the links everywhere).
As for "both side can find sourced backing": 1) the text is based on simple cold events - facts (Mihailović approaching the Germans or Nedić for example), not opinions or sholarly estimates, so there's really no doubt as to his collaboration; 2) No, you can't find sources of this quality claiming he was not a collaborator, and even if you do it will most likely be based on "opinions", and it will be vastly outnumbered by the sources to the contrary (there are a lot more publications). How do I know this? It was attempted before by people who were under the same misconception (a common misconception in Serbia, where a large number of people apparently harbor blatant illusions concerning the Chetniks and Mihailović).
In conclusion: believe me, this is the neutral point of view (NPOV). I am not at all acting in a biased way. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not talking about you, I don't know where you're from. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Mislia sam da si Francuz, nisam ti pregleda userpage :) I thought you were French (Cascais, of course now I know its in Portugal, embarrassing... :), I did not mean to imply you were biased in this, just that you may not be fully informed. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Blocked[edit]

I've block you and DIREKTOR for edit warring on the page Draža Mihailović. Your both in open violation of the three revert rule, and I find that both of you have issues related to the page content. My advice to both of you is to leave the material alone. By the time this block expires, I'll have protected the article in question to keep both of you off the article until you can agree to edit civilly. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Many thanx TomStar81. I asked for help in the talk pages of some projects (Military History and Serbia), and I touth a worning will come one edit before, so that is really why I reverted one last time. And also because I knew I was one edit behind the other editor also involved and I wasn´t really sure if all the last three edits of mine were reverts, or some were edits (I know this is not an excuse, but I just wanted to tell you anyway). I think I learned a lesson here, well, at least a few, by the way. This is my first ever block. I have already seen other editors being blocked, but it looks I didn´t quite get it how it works. Well, I must confess I am quite sad, I have turned myself in a wiki addict quite for some time now... I will definitly be more carefull and do all I can to avoid such confrontations. I just "lost it" there and we both surely deserve this. Many thanx again, and I hope you know, and I´ll anyway keep demonstrating it in the future, that this was an isolated incident. FkpCascais (talk) 06:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

DIREKTOR[edit]

That user is a notorious Croat nationalist propagandist anti Serbs, anti Germans, anti Hungarians, anti Italians, etc. He supports criminal dictator Josip Broz, so asserted in his user page, then obvious hates Draza. Evidence:

3 RR violation but nobody blocked him despite report:

Well, what can I say... I supose gathering all this kind of behaviour and present it together may be a good way of demonstrating his inability to edit in a civil way here. His behaviour is not normal, and is pretty much identical to the one of some kind of very ill and frustrated person. He did learned quite few tecniques of propaganda, so he constantly accuses others of what he does, not even needing to mention his throwing of the rock, and then the constant victimization. The worst I supose that is the unwilingness to tell the trouth and to openly assume his positions. The most important is to gather all the problems he already had, (he was already blocked 4 times!) and present it to some admin. Right now, he is not my priority, but since he edits many articles of great importance, some action should be donne, soon. Thankx and keep in touch. FkpCascais (talk) 10:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I total agree with you! But 2 points are important very much:

  • he is not alone propagandist user, also user:PRODUCER is blatant titoist edit warrior, but here nobody has in user page pictures of Draza or Pavelic or Mussolini or Hitler!
  • sure Broz Tito was responsable of triple ethnic cleansing against Germans, Hungarians, Italians but these guys did section Draža Mihailović#ethnic cleansing and angry-lookingremove sourced crimes and triple ethnic cleansing ordered by Broz Tito putting nonsense list of awards and decorations because there is other article pertinent huge list by solo titoist
I am an administrator, uninvolved in editing this range of articles, whose attention was raised by this ANI post. Per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions I would note that the comments above are inappropriate as regards the open and collegiate neutral editing of the encyclopedia and, if acted upon, will likely swiftly result in sanctions. Please regard this as your only warning in this matter. LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

User...[edit]

You can use it if you want, but if not, just leave it here! :)

Cultural Property This user is a member of WikiProject Cultural Heritage of Serbia.


All best, --Tadija (talk) 11:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Dialogue, not unilateral controversial edits[edit]

User:FkpCascais, even though my hands are sore from writing this by now, I'll attempt once again to impress upon you the necessity of discussing your controversial, unsourced edits, preferrably prior to their inclusion, and especially after you've benn reverted and the objections listed on the talkpage. Contrary to the false impression you may have gained from recent events, simply edit-warring to get your edit into the article is not how things are done on Wikipedia. Instead of mercilessly revert-warring, I recommend we simply follow the instructions in the {{controversial}} template placed at the head of the talkpage.

If you think I am a "Croat nationalist propagandist", you may be surprised to learn I am far more often in conflict with the (real) Croatian nationalists on enWiki than any Serbian user. In fact, the banned sock IP you are conversing with probably knows full well of my frequent conflicts with Croatian users calling me "anti-Croatian" and such other nonsense, but is deliberately misleading you. In conclusion, I am hereby extending an olive branch hoping dialogue will replace nonsense conflicts and plotting. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, unforutnately that's not how Wikipedia works. You either achieve an agreement with other users, or you don't edit at all. In other words, you are actually more-or-less required to talk to people until you achieve a consensus. This is why I've approached you myself. You cannot simply "not talk" to people, though you're certainly welcome to try. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 09:00, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello FkpCascais. I can confirm from having been present of Wikipedia for some time that despite the nature of some of DIREKTOR's edits, he is not a Croatian nationalist. He has on many occasions clarified his inclination towards a Yugoslav federation, or atleast he values the country which existed pre-1991, and this has landed him in similar conflicts against actual Croatian knuckleheads who edit here to this ongoing running battle with you. It is another reason I feel that you ought to both try to patch up your differences. DIREKTOR is Croatian yes, and naturally in the fall of the brotherhood aspect of the old country, he has to side with his nation in a way that you may with Serbs, as I may also do on occasion with Macedonia (though I don't let it influence me that much). Even during Yugoslavia's finest hour, there was a little bit of bickering between Serbia and Croatia, even over issues which should have stood as a beacon of unity (like Belgrade and Zagreb crying like infants whose parents had taken away their sweets over which city should host the Eurovision in 1990!!). DIREKTOR is a good faith editor, and you are too. Evlekis (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Direktor, we have many opened channels to talk (articles talk pages), don´t we? So, I see no reason in having "private" talks, it is there where we need to "talk". I have responded you in all of them, didn´t I? Also, it looks that you have some understanding issues regarding me... I also really have no patience to listen to rude and manipulative people, so that is my right, not to desire having talks in each other talk pages, so please, respect it.

And Evlekis, I know he is not a Croat nationalist, but he is an extreme minded editor anyway (Titoist). He was rude, he continues to be, and is very manipulative. I have nothing against Tito (my gransfather worked and travelled with him, and I love some of his politics), that is not the question here, the question is in criminalizing ("collaboreation" is one of the most serious acusations), and that is simply not that simple in this subjects (Chetniks and Draza). His "criminalization" of them can only be the result of two options: unknolledge or bad faith, but I really don´t care. So, my intention here is not to make friends, I want to edit articles, and I will just stop thinking so much about other editors wills, and do more for the good editing of the articles themselfs. I was also quite dissaponted with you, because you left your own opinion influnce the edits in question. One thing is what we think and like (I am also not a Chetnik) and another is the reality and the NPOV editing. You should really think if the Chetniks were so Nazy as Direktor intends to make them... and why should I not intervene, as you recomended me to. FkpCascais (talk) 22:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC) And I was forgetting, all the best for your newborn. Despite this not being a perfect world (far from it), more "mini-Evlekisis" are very much needed! Big hugg from me. ;) FkpCascais (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

Thanks a lot! This is very kind of you. I've always known that you could be a good editor. Cheers.--Latouffedisco (talk) 10:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

BLP sticky PROD[edit]

Hi FkpCascais/Archive2!. Every attempt to rescue a Wikipedia article is a noble gesture. However, there may be occasions when, with the best will in the world, it is just not possible to accord even a minimum of notability to an article or stub, or find a proper source for it. Most regrettably, even the most dedicated inclusionists will have to concede that the article may have to go if the creator or major contributors cannot justify their work.
For new and recent unsourced BLPs, some users are now working at WT:BLP PROD TPL on the development of templates that are designed to encourage contributors to source new BLPs, without scaring away the newbies who might not be aware of the rules. This template is certainly not another a licence to kill for the deletionists, in fact the very idea of it is to ensure that you are not fighting a losing battle. It would be great if you could look in at the prgogress and maybe leave a word of encouragement. The workshop page is essentially a template development taskforce, and is not a place to engage in a hefty debate on incusion/deletion policy. See you at WT:BLP PROD TPL?--Kudpung (talk) 13:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Dishlenkovich[edit]

Yes, Dishlenkovich is ethnic Serb, but he is the Ukrainian footballer as he is not Serbian anymore. He is the Ukrainian citizen, not a legionnaire, therefore he is Ukrainian. You missed to see some other wondrous edits, sort of hate-attacks. I do not think that footballers should be the victims. Ukraine knows numerous cases when players playing for Ukraine afterwords were playing for other countries. I do not support the fact that he was allowed it, but I am against of prohibiting a free will if it legally does not interfere with any laws. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Another example is that if you know the Russian empress Yekaterina the Great was ethnic German, yet still she is not a German statesman, but Russian, of course.Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, yes. I totally agree with that. Are you telling me that he is not Ukrainian? Look at his passport. Another thing about the Ukrainian citizenship. It is only allowed if the person has no citizenship of any other country. You have to renounce the citizenship of other country to accept the Ukrainian. It is not mandatory to do so in case you want to change in other way. I do not think I am missing your point. He is ethnic Serb who is Ukrainian. How can I prove it? You have to ask for his passport. It is recorded fact. He was a Serbian footballer, but currently he is Ukrainian. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

And national team does not have to be a primary in anything. Primary in anything are only the facts of life. The other thing is how we want to interpret them. Do we want to interpret them the way they are or the way we want them to be? It is a topic of discussion that can be argued with no end and I doubt that we will find a consensus on it. I only hope that will not reflect on game of his national team. Go Srbija! :) Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:06, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that is fine. I did not know about the fact that it discussed already. What about players that played for multiple teams like Ferenc Puskas and Alfredo Di Stefano or Akhrik Tsveiba for that matter. Is Di Stefano Columbian? Is Tsveiba Ukrainian? Is Salenko, the World Cup record setter, Ukrainian? Did they mention them? A trivia question. Who scored the most goals in a single game at the World Cup finals? Russian or Ukrainian? Just a food for thought... Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:32, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Also there is always much simpler alternative - avoid any claims. Like Dislenkovic, who is a native Serb, plays there and there. That way you do not go into the realm of politics. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Ha, I am not making a polemic here. I only made sure that you are indeed aware of that whole issue on that topic. As I said before, that is fine, meaning your point. It was not even me at first who claimed to be other than Serbian. I only got rid of some stupid statements. You can check them out at discussion of the article if they weren't totally deleted. Hey, you say he is Serbian then you are probably right. I will not challenge that. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I think that Dishlenkovich is solid performer. He is not the best, but he plays well. As I understand he sees that his years are running away from him and he lost a hope to play for Serbia and tired of worrying playing there. This way he does not only solve the problem with employment, but also frees himself from any obligations for the national team as the current management does not seem to put much faith in him. On the other hand Serbia made it to the finals therefore there seem to be plenty of competent players out there. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


Serbian second and third division[edit]

Hi, my name is Razvan (Romania), we have a discussion last year about Mike Temwanjera and you said that I can contact you if i have a question about serbian football. I'm making a comparation between the second and third league in Romania and in other countries. I searched and I saw that the second league in Serbia have 18 teams and the third league is divided into four groups. I have some questions for you :

- When was the system changed to the current one ? - Do the teams have problems with the money (in Romania, this season, we had 5 or 6 teams that were relegated because of the lack of funds)?

If you know, you can inform me the same thing about the bosnian, croatian or another ex-yugoslavian countries. Thank you very much!

--razvanflorian (talk) 19:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:ANI[edit]

Please view the section entitled "User:FkpCascais", a thread raised at ANI regarding you. Cheers, SGGH ping! 23:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

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You have been temporarily blocked from editing for persistent disruptive editing, including slurs against other editors. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Black Kite 01:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
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Request reason:

It is really hard to beleve that the user:direktor arguments convinced you of blocking me. I do know that I have used some of the language I shouldn´t have but, it was written by me as a result of continuos unseriousness and provocation (indirect insults, as well) on his behalve. And, we are talking about a debate that took place on a talk page a long time ago. We were both blocked after it because we both reverted each other 3 times, and the agreement was not to edit related pages until there is some consensus reached in the Draža Mihailović talk page (about his nazy collaboration, a serious acusation), where I (and not user:direktor) was the one trying to archive a consensus. I respected the agreement, and direktor break it yesterday by directly insisting in his edits, and editing the same pages again, completely ignoring the discussion in the talk page, where, by the previous agreement, we should finish the discussion, before editing those pages, so it is really Direktor who broke the agreement. I only reverted the edits and asked the user to finish the discussion, and I even asked another Administrator for advice and intervention. So, the other user breaks the agreement, and I am the one punished? Couldn´t you at least check my edit history here? I am still shocked with the block. An worning (to both, direktor is much more disruptive than me, making impossible any kind of normal dialogue), and a appeal to work on reaching an agreement would have been far more productive. I am not sure you know, but I am the one asking for NPOV here, and I was supported by other users, while direktor is the one monopolizing the article, manipulating each others words, and insisting in a highly dubious, extereme POV. A debate is waiting for him, an agreement on not unilaterally editing the articles was reached, and I w<as the one respecting it, while he breake it. You could please read the talk page, each other actions, and see the trouth by yourself. I do promise to be much more carefull about the language that I use, and I will use my right of complaining when confronted again by this, but I honestly hope that you will see the unjustice that was donne to me, and unblock me so I can continue my work that I am doing here for some time now. Thanx

Decline reason:

You had already been warned about the consequences of disruptive editing on any Eastern European article (per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary sanctions). You have edit-warred, removed sourced material because you don't like what it says, and made personal attacks against another editor, so it should come as no surprise to you that you have been blocked. If you didn't read that link to the Arbitration Committee's binding ruling that LessHeard vanU provided, now would be a good time. We follow a zero-tolerance policy on disruption in that area. For these reasons and because you have continued to attack another editor in your request (contrary to the advice here), this unblock request is declined. Please be very careful to follow Wikipedia's verifiability, neutrality, reliable sourcing and civility policies when the block expires. Should they be necessary, subsequent blocks will be longer. EyeSerenetalk 09:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I am sorry, but I made those reverts on the pages because it was pre-condition made by user:TomStar81 when he locked the page, that no edits were made around the collaboration fact until a consensus is reached. I only reverted those edits. After some time, the page was unlocked but I refrained from editing since the consensus was not reached maynly because of the abscence of Direktor at the discussion.I refrained from editing those pages, and I wanted to finish the debate. I am guilty of some words directed towards the other user, but otherwise, I have not been neither disruptive neither have I broke any WP rule. I even asked for help from another administrator. And also, I didn´t "removed sourced material" because I don´t like it but because I am challenging the neutrality of the sources, as adequatly expressed it before. Also, the same source are very dubious about the contenet, being hardly clear, as the other editor says. The user:direktor is continuing his campaign against me. I am asking please to give me the chance to defend myself and demostrate to everybody that I am not a disruptive editor. I studied the issue and I understand now the reason of the block. I was also in a process of updating the football clubs squads lists, and I was interropted now. I would really like to finish it as soon as possible. I am asking please to give me a chance to demonstrate that I am a good wikipedian. :( Please, a week block is really too hard punishment. FkpCascais (talk) 09:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Decline reason:

As was pointed out by EyeSerene in their reply to your previous unblock request, you were warned that this could happen. Technically, this is a block for violating a sanction placed by WP:ARBCOM, so actually a single admin would be putting their adminship on the line by agreeing to go against that decision, and I don't see any compelling reason to do that for you today. You could try emailing the ban appeals subcommittee, or just wait it out, it's almost half over already. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired.

As I pointed out several times on two different articles: you cannot challenge the neutrality of scholarly university publications simply by declaring the Stanford scholar biased - based on your opinion that he "must" be, since he's a Croat by ancestry. Your personal dislike of Croats, so unfortunately typical around here, is not grounds for dismissing a source of the highest quality. Not to mention that you talked only about one source, and did not even mention the other five that were not written by persons of "anti-Serbian" ancestry. (I felt that the matter needed a quick clarification.) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 12:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Please, we were asked to discuss in the place where the discussion was taking place, so why didn´t you? And also, I asked you not to speak directly with each other any more. You reverted the edits you were blocked for! And you ignored the discussion! And you constantly insult me and accuse me of everything. I am not deniying collaboration, you are the one pushing your best to the "collaboration" theory. He was condecorated for "resisting", and you are ignoring it. I have no problems with Croats, and other wikipedians can confirm it. Please, discuss where the discussion is taking place, and you should be blocked for your recent behavior. Admins, please help! This situation is enormously unfair and outragious! What is this, a show-off from him??? Can´t you see what a provocative attitude after all this is? FkpCascais (talk) 12:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed the formatting of your second unblock request - I hope you don't mind. I won't review it though, another admin will do that. Other than the incivility which you've acknowledged (and your assurance regarding that is helpful), your unblock request still doesn't show that you understand what the problem was with your editing. You made six reverts recently to Chetniks - see WP:EW - which were resisted by multiple editors, not just DIREKTOR. Perhaps DIREKTOR shouldn't really have been been making reverts either in a content dispute (see WP:3RR; enforcing consensus is not an exception), but he wasn't edit-warring against consensus as you were, he wasn't removing sourced material, and in any case your unblock request should address your edits, not his. You were right to start a discussion, but that doesn't excuse your continuing the edit war. I hope this makes it clearer why you were blocked. If you object to DIREKTOR posting here I'm sure he'll respect your wishes, although part of assuming good faith is making the assumption that he's trying to help, not provoke, you. EyeSerenetalk 13:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
You are right EyeSerene. Also, thank you very much for formating my request and for having the patience of dealing with this issue and for your explanation. I must confess that I am aware of the majority of the WP rules for some time now. I also never had any bigger problems before this issue came up, and I was already blocked twice because of it.
Regarding the Chetniks and Draža Mihailović collaboration issue, I already explained all the reasons in the talk:Draža Mihailović page. It goes pretty much around the fact that those articles were very much edited in the way of demonstrating their collaboration with Nazy Germany, and much effort was donne to ignore the fact that they were an important resistence movement and Mihailovic was condecorated by the USA and France for his resistence effort during WWII. The problem here lies very much around the fact that I am leaving all collaboration part, and I am only adding some minor changes so the articles are more NPOV written. But, here comes the problem with user:direktor, that completely monopolizes the articles and does his best to incapacitate any changes to them.
So, all my last period reverts are about the adding of them in the "collaboration in Yugoslavia template". All this has to do with the discussion opened on the Mihailovic talk page. I already explained that a 3 side war doesn´t necessarily have to be a 2 side war, but Direktor, an assumed Titoist (communist, anti-monarchist) and a Croat, insists in editing the articles in his perspective, about a Serbian Monarchic movement, that is quite different from the overall, and quite polemic. I was the one asking for help many times, and in many different project talk pages.
Regarding him, I know that the WP:AGF is obrigatory, but I must confess that regarding him, it is very difficult to asume it. His constant manipulation just make him loose all credibility. I already asked him to respect my will about us not talking directly any more, so let´s if he is capable of respecting that. Also, attention, he just reverted the text to the same form that was in the previous edit war, from where we resulted blocked, so I can´t really assume that he wants nothing else but another edit war, since I had not receved any previous answer to the case that I largelly (it is in the entire talk page) exposed in detail.
I am really sorry for having said many things I did, and I already was doing enything to avoid confrontation. But, I did exposed my case in the place where we had said we will, and it was him that escaped from returning there. I do, obviously understand that not all edits need consensus, and other edits were donne to the articles (that Direktor reverted), but I just reverted the ones that were going around the same (collaboration) issue. It was very much the same edit reverted over and over again. Also, when we were blocked, the Mihailovic page was blocked by an Admin, and he said that the page will remain blocked until a consensus between us is reached, so it wasn´t me who came up with the consensus issue. I simply respected it.
Anyway, this is already working as an enormous lesson for me in many ways. And this was definitelly a very bad experience, that I will do everything to avoid in the future. WP fortunatelly has many optional methods of solving conflicts, so lowering the level of debate is never a honorable answer. FkpCascais (talk) 14:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Disclaimer: please note carefully the fact that I am NOT a communist. Titoism, you should also note, is a form of national communism. I am neither a Titoist, nor a communist. In fact I am against communism. I say "carefully" as any additional attempts at badmouthing me to other users by falsifying my political views will be reported as provocation and a breach of Wikiquette. This is not the first time you have been informed of this.
In case you wish me to cease posting at this talkpage please say so clearly, but keep in mind that you do not hold the right to forbid me from addressing you elsewhere (as you seem to have thought). If not, then talkpage communication can remain open. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Direktor, you are the one wanting to be labeled as "Titoist", and he was a "Communist", so, in fact, I said that YOU are Titoist, and that HE (Tito) is Communist and anti-monarchist, so by this, don´t get too excited, I wasn´t talking about you, but him (Tito), I really don´t care much about your personal views... But, if you assumingly act as "Titoist", you are definitelly possibly going to be labeled as "Communist" (he was the president of the Communist Party of Yugoslavia) so, it´s really a problem you will have to deal with.

About the second issue, it really looks like you are having some problems with my level-3 English... hmmmm, strange, usully people claiming that speak perfectly English have no problems whatsoever understanding me, specially if I say things correctly and insistently. It looks more like a case of your good education and your capacity to absorve information, needing to check things a great number of times, so you can be sure what is going on and what are people talking about. Also, it has been quite a habit that you usually allways conveniently understand things in a oposite, and keep having doubts, when it comes to subjects that you look to have troubles (or simply don´t wan´t to) understand. For last time:

DIREKTOR:Discuss in the talk pages (don´t be affraid finishing the debates with me) and we already have an enormous unfinished discussion where you were expected but you didn´t, and, resumingly, we have no reason whatsoever to have private conversations, specially if our main debate still isn´t over (in the D.Mihailovic talk page, you know where, don´t you?).

Since our discussion here is not finished yet, I will ask you clearly to revert all changes that you donne in the pages of Draža_Mihailović, Chetniks and in the Template:Yugoslav Axis collaborationism and wait until we reach a consensus, as user:TomStar81 has told us to do when he locked the page og Mihailovic. Discuss in the places where the discussions take place, and don´t "escape" to personal talk pages as you seem to allways do when found in disadvantage.

So, please don´t post your comments on my talk page anymore.

(FkpCascais (talk) 13:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course, he could´t respect me, and posted a comment again. FkpCascais (talk) 13:51, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Um pedido simples[edit]

Olá meu amigo, espero que tudo esteja ótimo contigo, VASCO por aqui,

Bom, primeiro lamento os problemas que parece que tens tido com alguns assuntos no WP, este site é maravilhoso mas também tem que se lhe diga ás vezes...Espero que tudo se resolva pelo melhor.

O meu pedido é: por favor deixa os clubes estarem comprimidos no "box", mostrando só o nome completo na história. Reparei que há uns tempos puseste "Académica de Coimbra" num jogador, não é preciso, que eu saiba só há UMA equipa chamada assim, há que comprimir tanto quanto possível as "caixinhas". Outra coisa em compressão: acho que YUGOSLAVIA e/ou SOVIET UNION chega bem em "País de nascimento", não percebo o porquê de juntar os SFR e SFSR, é escusado e pode por-se por extenso (ainda fica melhor) na história (podes ver o exemplo daquilo que falo em Veljko Paunović). E já agora, em jeito de informação "wiki-histórica": não percebo a diferença entre os artigos Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia e Yugoslavia, podes-me explicar?

Folgo também em saber que te puseste de acordo com o Matthew HK, é bom trabalhar em equipa. Eu também gostava de ter amigos, na WP e fora dela, mas não se pode ter tudo :(...

Abraços, bom fim-de-semana,

VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:34, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

  • Foste bem claro, pá, muito obrigado! Mas devo dizer-te que cometeste dois erros (não imperdoáveis :)!!): O clube de Viseu é o ACADÉMICO, não ACADÉMICA, e o clube albanês parecido ao FK PARTIZAN é PARTIZANI, como vês, dá para comprimir. Dou-te alguma razão no RED STAR (há mais que um), embora eu prefira comprimir (mas só no "box", aparece SEMPRE RED STAR BELGRADE na história, pelo menos quando "eu mando").

De resto, explicações bem entendidas, boa "lição". Um forte abraço também para ti e boas festas! VASCO, Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

control[edit]

User:Anon7mous, PRODUCER, DIREKTOR and AlasdairGreen27 are by the same person: you can ask ceck user control —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.25.163.32 (talk) 16:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

this is old case: wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/DIREKTOR/Archive but you can open new case! PRODUCER and DIREKTOR are obvious same guy: both with all capital letters, both with 8 letters and same Croat ultra nationalist political agenda; Anon7mous and AlasdairGreen27 are obvious related accounts probably by various computers but sure that is alone guy who goes across cities of Croatia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.95.230.131 (talk) 16:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


Good contributions, thanks![edit]

Thank you for your enormous contributions in the soccer pages in general and in List of Albanian football players playing abroad in particular! --sulmues talk contributions 13:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind note. I think we have lots in common because of soccer. Although soccer should be separate from nationalistic issues, it paradoxcally is an extraordinary factor to bring nations together, more than it is to keep them apart. Many people know and are familiar with different countries because of soccer. It's through soccer that I started to contribute in Wikipedia anyways and I ended up doing all sort of articles. I really share your opinions about better representing soccer in former Yougoslavia and in general Balkanian soccer. Two tournaments that I think should be better represented are the Balkan Cup and the Balkans Cup. Unfortunately there is very little on the web about them, but plenty has been written in paper. I think and hope that one day these tournaments will be revived, in order to reinforce local Balkanic soccer. Similar tournaments occur in the Skandinavian countries or the Baltic countries, and the Balkan Cups (be it for the national teams or the city teams) will have a tremendous impact for international experience of young players. In between we have to represent in Wikipedia as many athletes as possible who have made the history of the sport in our countries. An example: while making some edits in this article (Balkan Cup), I think an article is warranted for Božidar Sandić, a Serbian footballer of the 40s. You might want to check him out. --sulmues talk contributions 18:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with the history of José Espinal. My knowledge of the Albanian soccer after 1995 is limited as I left Albania at that time. Stadiums in Albania now have less than a tenth of the spectators of what they used to have in the '80s. However, please feel free to contact me especially on national teams and their statistics. In addition, you may are aware of many players of Serbian descent that play now in Albania, especially in Apolonia Fier and Vllaznia (currently 4 in the former and 1 in the latter). Bozidar Sandic: I couldn't find anything on him either, but he was a member of the Yougoslav national football team in the 40's and a strong one I suppose. --sulmues talk contributions 13:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I was sure you'd find something on Božidar Sandić and yes, he deserves an article, who would better do it than you? Had I known Serbian, I would write it myself, because he honored the Balcan Cup tournament with his presence, but I guess it'll be you or someone else. Cheers. --Sulmues Let's talk 18:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Mediation[edit]

I filed the request for Draza Mihailovic article that needs your acceptance (signing) Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#Draza_Mihailovic. BoDu (talk) 14:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you that the request should be extended to the article Chetniks and to the Template:Yugoslav Axis collaborationism. Please, give your suggestion for the description of the issues as you think may be acceptable to all parties involved (it must be done within seven days). BoDu (talk) 14:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Tekma Japan - Srbija[edit]

I ja sam nesto razmisljao o tome i zakljucio da se racuna. Slican slucaj je bio, npr, na turniru u Indiji 2001, kada su ucestvovali samo igraci iz domace lige. Na RSSSF o tome pise: "Yugoslavia won the Millenium Cup tournament in India. However, these matches were not considered official internationals since the Yugoslavs a sort of fielded a Yugoslav League All-Star team rather than an “A” team. But players were awarded caps for these games".[10] Dakle, utakmica se upisuje igracima, iako se ne smatra da je igrao A tim. Nadam se da je ovo od nekakve pomoci. Pozdrav.--Vitriden (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

WP:ANI/I[edit]

Please view the section entitled "WP:NPA & User:FkpCascais", a thread raised at WP:ANI regarding your behavior. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 00:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)


Request for mediation accepted[edit]

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Thank you so very much. I´m entirely on your disposition on this. :) FkpCascais (talk) 17:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Your editing privileges have been suspended for 24 hours[edit]

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Per the discussion at ANI and particularly this edit, if you are not willing to follow the advice given that would diminish the disruption and announce your intent to continue to pursue a course of action that will result in further disruption then your account will be blocked - as is the case here. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:45, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Sorry, but can someone explain to me what did I done wrong here:
  • 1 - I receve this offensive message on my talk page: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFkpCascais&action=historysubmit&diff=357494438&oldid=357491118 "...you can kiss your sorry ass goodbye."
  • 2 - I report it, as agreed in case I receve any more offensies: ANI report.
  • 3 - User:Beeblebrox makes a comment on the ANI report that equalises the behavior of the user that made a WP:NPA on my talk page with mine, and suggests me to "drop this matter".
  • 4 - I find the comment unfair, I ask User:Beeblebrox to find the reason for making such a comparison, and I explain that I didn´t had almost any contact with this user. I also alert this case to some admins so I can possibly get some advice...
  • 5 - I don´t have any more interventions since (05:46).
  • 6 - I get blocked. (12:41 ,7 hours since any intervention of mine) Reason: (Disruptive editing: Refusal to disengage upon complaint)

I am sorry but how can I possibly not complain, and understand that a user that told me twice in the same edit the words "...you can kiss your sorry ass...". This is clearly a violation of WP:NPA. I had antecipated this behavior because this user has already been uncivil with me and behaves quite provocatively: [11], [12], and I called his attention to it several times (that we should keep civil beside discussion disagreements).

I was not ever rude or uneducated with the user that posted this offensive comment on my talk page, and I can´t possibly understand why am I being punished for not wanting to cope with this sort of behaviour. And I am still amaised that this user didn´t even get a warning! This is definitelly not being a good exemple for WP and I am being very disapointed about the resolution for this situations. I had already complained about this user, my report was ignored and I keep having this kind of behavior (even worste now). Instead of trying to stop this, this way users are just being encouraged to keep their attitutde and the reporting of them is being presented as unusseless and punishible.

Resuming, I am told: "kiss your sorry ass", I report it and I am punished...

Can I ask please to be unblocked, I promise not to persue this issue any more. I just wanted to get these offensive comments directed towards me stoped.

Decline reason:

Might be willing to consider this if you acknowledge your own misconduct; see comments below. Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired.

Problem: "kiss your sorry ass good-bye" is not a violation of WP:NPA ... unless you believe that you believe that he's actually referring to your ass specifically. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. You will note that in the ANI discussion, both of you have actually been warned...nevertheless, WP:NOTTHEM applies. Care to rethink your unblock request accordingly, or shall we just let it run the full 24hrs? (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
It may not be an attack, but it's certainly uncivil; were I in Fkp's position, I probably would have raised concerns about that as well. However, in looking through the edits that led to the "kiss your ass goodbye" comment, your conduct was somewhat disruptive (removing comments by other users at mediation, making pointed comments towards others when confronted about it). From what I can tell, it's the forumshopping [13] [14] after Beeblebrox had said you were both in the wrong (he didn't single you out) and asked you both to stop. This seems to be a good block, although I may be willing to consider it if you a) agree to disengage from this and b) acknowledge your own misconduct in this matter. In the future, if you find yourself getting frustrated with another editor, take a step back before your own conduct gets you into trouble as well. Hersfold (t/a/c) 22:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Hersfold, I am extremely gratefull for your spared time and patience in having analised my request. I feel trouly sorry to be in a situation where I must admit that I feel happiness in cases when my position is simply understood. I have been found myself in a extremely difficult and unpleasent situation here, while working for a long time now to be a good wikipedian. I found myself confronted with cases of uncivility, or others that may require reporting it, several times lately, ([15], [16], [17]) but unfortunatelly, I had found a succesion of people much more applied in finding excuses for the behavior of people I report, that simply doing something to stop it and prevent it. I was even asked not to make further reports.I wished I had people defending me on this report [18] in wich I didn´t even had a chance to defend myself. In case of one report I did, as response, I had the first almost repeated [19]. While the users that I complain are quite usually involved in incidents, I have barely any experience in reporting nobody and I didn´t had almost any problems before I get involved here.
Regarding the case itself, I removed the other users comment for the simple reason it was wrongly placed there. The mediation request section is named "Additional issues to be mediated" and the comment doesn´t contribute with any "additional issue", but is rather a users POV resume of the dispute. I did acknolledge my mistake mostly because I should had pointed this out to the user that had posted the comment, but what better way to demonstrate acknolledgement of my mistake than by undoing my own edit returning the post in the place, as I did, shortly after? It was when the post was already back in place when I started receving treatening posts by that user on my talk page, and without answering, I ended insistently receving more agressive posts that ended in that one.
I do acknolledge that seaking help and contacting other admins on this case was definitelly not the best way to procede, and I was wrong. But, I also wished I was defended the way that those users were... I also find quite incorrect that the user doesn´t have to apologise to me for the words he said, and has not even been directly and frontally warned about it. Having users around using these expressionsand behaving this way can only harm WP.
Thank you so very much again, but I´ll just wait for the block to expire and I´ll be definitelly much more carefull regarding other users posts. Best regards. FkpCascais (talk) 00:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Kosovan footballers[edit]

Putting aside our misunderstandings and different views, I would like to ask you something which could be an idea for a new article: do you know where I can find a list of Kosovan footballers capped for other national teams (including Yugoslavia/Serbia&Montenegro/Serbia)? You know better than me the history of Kosovo: footballers were forced to "scatter", even due to Kosovan diaspora, and played for various national teams (Albania, Serbia, Finland, Switzerland...). It would be interesting to group all the Kosovo-born footballers who played in foreign national teams. --necronudist (talk) 10:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Sure it's been helpful! Thank you really much! Do you think the FFK can be of help? Or they know less than us? --necronudist (talk) 12:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try... hope they understand English ;-) --necronudist (talk) 13:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Buuuuuuuuh que medo!!![edit]

Olá meu caro,

Pois é, não sei o que se há-de fazer, e eu já estou a perder a paciência, o que não queria que acontecesse (não vale a pena só por isto). Já falei com administradores (não para bloquearem, nem pensar) e com utilizadores alemães (para ver se falam com o gajo, ele não é NÍVEL 4 em Inglês, nem pensar!!!), nada feito.

Parece que a estratégia terá que ser "REVERT, BLOCK, IGNORE" - tirando o BLOCK - e cada um à sua...Mas não percebo este compadre, será que ele é mesmo um zombie? Sim, e a estrelinha que recebeu, e não agradeceu, não percebi (a segunda parte, parece-me de um total desinteresse e desrespeito pelos WIKI-amigos e colegas).

Bom ficamos por aqui amigo. Só digo uma coisa: dava jeito ou não se a Jugoslávia ainda fosse só uma equipa, para este Mundial? Uma dupla Nikola Žigić/Ivica Olić podia fazer estragos...Abraços, VASCO - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 13:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)