User talk:Gol

Welcome!

Hello, Gol, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Kukini 16:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Gol, Persia (Iran) was a sovereign country at the time, not a part of the Islamic caliphate. You can see this also on the pages on History of Iran, and looking for the dynasties in the times of Avicenna. The persian Buwayhid (Al-e-Buyeh) dynasty was controling most of Iran at the time, including Baghdad. They openly acknowledged being Persians, they are famous for having revived Persian culture and tradition from the pre-Islamic period, and their kings used the term Shahanshah to refer to themselves, which is the Persian word for emperor common since the pre-Islamic period, and a term only Kings identifying themselves with Persia would use. Moreover, any serious source that I know of would certainly acknowledge him as Iranian/Persian. There is absolutely no question about this. If the case is really that you have sources and the other editor does not, and he keeps just reverting to his version, this can under circumstances mean a form of (albeit slight) vandalism. That editor might in principle be banned from editing for that. For start, I suggest you take a look at this and consider putting a vandalism warning message on his talk page. This is, of course, if all other efforts to convince him by discussion did not work. Good luck and keep the good work going! Shervink 03:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)shervink[reply]

Iranian Watchdog

Aucaman and a few others like Heja Helweda and Diyako have been repeatedly and systematically vandalizing the Iran-related topics such as Persian people and Iranian peoples, propagating false information, maliciously editing/disputing/deleting without one shred of proof to backup their wild claims, applying the strawman falsification approach, trying to establish new 'facts" based on their own personal assumptions and beliefs.

In order to prevent this situation, we need to create an Iranian Watchdog on Wikipedia and guard the integrity and quality of all the Wikipedia articles that are related to Iran and Iranians. Please let me know if you think that's a good idea. --ManiF 13:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I also think it is a good idea to set up some kind of project to keep Iranian pages free of such wrongful accusations. What is your opinion?Shervink 19:50, 27 February 2006 (UTC)shervink[reply]

Hi guys, I need your help for the article Babylon, Al Khwarizmi, Bebe_stores, God, knight, parthia, angel, satan, devil, cavalry, Iran, Persia, Persian People, Magi, demon, Al Biruni, Avicenna, monotheism, Sinbad the Sailor, One thousand and one nights, Summum bonum, and other [articles related to Persia], since many people are actively trying to misrepresent Iran. I have tried very hard to enhance the reader’s knowledge, as well as, to correct any undermining, or misrepresentation about Iran. I have written many essays clarifying Persia and Parthia are names erroneously used for ancient Iran, since it is shocking to see some represent Parthia as a country in SW Asia, and say that they were foreign ruler of Persia, while stating the second dynasty to Persia were the Sassanids. I have also tried to correct many mistakes, and even blatant attempts of some trying to represent Persian scientists as Arabs. Finally, armed with information from Jewishencyclopedia.com[1], and Christian Encyclopedias like Ccel.org/php/wwec.php, and Bible-history.com/isbe/Z/ZOROASTRIANISM, that state angelology, demonology, apocalyptical, and eschatological ideas first came from the Persian Empire who influenced the Jews, then later the Judeo-Christian units. These encyclopedias even admit the idea of monotheism being introduced to humanity by Zoroaster is still in debate--yet no one seems to even be willing to admit to such important discoveries, sometimes due to bigotry.

However, one person alone cannot do this--others must help, to show a consensus, and to avoid violating the 3rr rules. If you agree with any of the changes below, put that article in question on your watch list, and simply copy and paste the texts I edited in the article; of course many try to revert it, so go to the discussion board and submit refrences.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe_stores

bebe stores is an American clothing retailer founded in 1976 by the Iranian born Manny Mashouf--who immigrated to the United States in the early 70s, and opened the first bebe store in San Francisco.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon

Under the section `Babylon under Persia`

......During the time when Achaemenid Persia was the [preeminent power of the known world]........

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

Section `History of monotheism`

In the Ancient Orient, many cities had their own local god, though this henotheistic worship of a single god did not imply denial of the existence of other gods. The Hebrew Ark of the Covenant is supposed (by some scholars) to have adapted this practice to a nomadic lifestyle, paving their way for a singular God. Yet, many scholars now believe that it may have been the Zoroasterian religion of the Persian Empire that was the first monotheistic religion, and the Jews were influenced by such notions (this controversy is still in debate)[2]

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knight#Knight_.28honorific.29

Section==Early heavy cavalry== The origin of heavily armoured cavalry (cataphractos) lies in Parthian and Sassanid Persia, and medieval chivalry absorbed many Persian traditions in the course of the Perso-Byzantine wars.[citation needed] For example, Ammianus Marcellinus, a Roman general and historian, who served in the army of Constantius II in Gaul and Persia, fought against the Persians under Julian the Apostate and took part in the retreat of his successor, Jovian. He describes the Persian knight as:

"All their companies clad in iron, and all parts of their bodies were covered with thick plates, so fitted that the stiff joints conformed with those of their limbs; and forms of the human faces were so skillfully fitted to their heads, that since their entire bodies were covered with metal, arrows that fell upon them could lodge only where they could see a little through tiny openings opposite the pupil of the eye, or where through the tips of their noses they were able to get a little breath." "The Persians opposed us serried bands of mail-clad horsemen in such close order that the gleam of moving bodies covered with closely fitting plates of iron dazzled the eyes of those who looked upon them, while the whole throng of horses was protected by coverings of leather. "

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalry

Section, Origins

Before the Iron Age, the role of cavalry on the battlefield was largely performed by light chariots. The power of mobility given by mounted units was recognized early on, but was offset by the difficulty of raising large forces and by the inability of horses (then mostly small) to carry heavy armor.

It is noteworthy to mention that heavy cavalry was first used by the Iranian Parthians, and more so by the Sasanids (both, but especially the latter, were famed for the cataphract, heavy cavalry armed with lances) [1]. During the Roman-Persian wars, the Parthians swift mounted counter-attacks would prove too much for the Romans at first, who were the master of hand-to-hand combat. However, later the Romans would successfully adapt such heavy armor, and tactics [2].

6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinbad_the_Sailor

Sinbad the Sailor (also spelled "Sindbad", from Arabic ' Sin-di-bad, from Persian ' Sand-baad) is the name of a legendary story from Persia about an Arab sailor during the Abbasid Caliphate who has numerous fantastic adventures during his voyages throughout the seas east of Africa and south of Asia.

7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God Supreme Being was a concept that according to some scholars was likely first introduced to humanity as Ahura-Mazda[3], `The Ultimate Good` who is the Universal God of all mankind, by the Iranian or better known in Western literature as Persian prophet Zoroaster, whose monotheistic view of religion would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs.

8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

Introduction to Angel

An angel is an ethereal being found in many religions, whose duties are to assist and serve God or the gods. Most scholars now believe that humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster, through The Persian Empire, that would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs [4].

9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil

Many scholars believe humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as The Devil and demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster that would later single-handedly influence Judeo-Christian beliefs. This is discussed in more detail below.

10. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_thousand_and_one_nights

Section, History During the reign of the Arab Abbasid Caliph Harun al-Rashid in the 8th century, Baghdad had become an important cosmopolitan city. Merchants from Persia (Iran), China, India, Africa, and Europe were all found in Baghdad. It was during this time that many of the stories, which were originally folk stories, are thought to have been collected orally over many years and later then compiled into a single book.

The nucleus of the stories is formed by an old Persian book called Hazâr Afsâna ('Thousand Myths', Persian: ??????????). The later compiler and translator into Arabic is reputedly storyteller Abu abd-Allah Muhammed el-Gahshigar in the 9th century. The frame story of Shahrazad seems to have been added in the 14th century. The first modern Arabic compilation, made out of Egyptian writings, was published in Cairo in 1835. 11. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Khwarizmi

Make sure no one changes Al Khwarizmi’s birthplace from Persia to Arabia

12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Biruni

Make sure no one changes Al-Biruni`s birthplace from Persia to Arabia.

13. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna

Make sure no one changes Avicenna’s birthplace from Persia to Arabia.

14. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summum_bonum

Summum bonum (greatest or supreme good) was a concept first introduced to humanity as Ahura-Mazda, `The Ultimate Good` who is the Universal God of all mankind, by the Iranian or better known in Western literature as Persian prophet Zoroaster, whose monotheistic view of religion would later heavily influence Judeo-Christian beliefs, and change the course of humanity. In Western literature, it is a neoplatonic concept attributed to the Christian God by Saint Augustine in de natura boni (399), in direct opposition to his earlier Manichaean (a religion by another Persian prophet, Mani) convictions. Augustine denies the positive existence of absolute evil, describing a world with God as the supreme good at the center, and defining different grades of evil as different stages of remoteness from that center.

Make [sure] you go to these Wikipedia articles and put them on your watch list. Try to invite others who agree with these edits, and get them involved, be active, be persistence; however, most of all, be factual and be respectful.

Thanks Zmmz 22:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Avicenna

Dude,

If you have explicit sources, nobody can touch you. WP rules are clear on that. Just keep reverting the guy (but dont pass the 3RR mark per day). As you can see, we have several fronts in this anti-Iranian campaign on WP. And I am also occupied elsewhere too. We just have to continue what we're doing.--Zereshk 23:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kurds

Dear Gol, Thanks for your message and Thanks a lot for your great work here. I think that it would be a mistake to give in on a point which is so well documented and so widely respected among scholars. It seems to me that these people are trying to get as much as they can, and reduce mentions of Iran to as few as they can, provided only that they can preserve their (fake) neutral image. If confronted with enough evidence, their pushing on a refuted point of view would only discredit them and show everybody that they are essentially vandals, although very complicated and very skilled ones. I suggest not to give in to their demand. I have no problem at all with the fact that Kurds have their own culture, language, music, dance, etc. In fact, that's truly beautiful. What I have a problem with is that some of these editors deny their ancient ties with the people around them, most importantly the other Iranians, going as far as speculating whether they are more related to jews and arabs rather than Iranians! If they want to discuss separatism here, I also have no problem with that. That there is a phenomenon of separatism among some Kurds is a fact, but that must be discussed in its place. The article on Iranian people does not start by discussing political issues either. That is left for other pages, and is thoroughly discussed there, with a lot of debate and discussion. Shervink 21:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)shervink[reply]

Help

If erased, copy and paste below in the persian people article in its intro. please,

The Persians of Iran are an ethnic group identified by a sense of sharing a common Iranian (Persian culture) and having a Persian: a branch of Indo-European languages.

The ancient Persians from the province of Pars became the rulers of a large empire under the Achaemenid dynasty in the sixth century BC, reuniting the tribes and other provinces in the ancient Iranian Plateau and forming the country, Iran (Persian: land of Aryans). Over the centuries Persia was ruled by various dynasties; some of them were native Iranian Achaemenids, Parthians (Persian: Ashkanian), Sassanids, Buwayhids and Samanids), and some of them were not (the Seleucids, Seljuk Turks, Afsharids and Qajars). It is important to note that the founding dynasty of the empire [the Achaemenids, and later the Sassanids were from the southern provinces of Pars, from which in Western literature the word Persia is derived to used to distinguish between ancient and moder Iran. However, according to archeological evidence found in moder day Iran in the form of Cuneiforms that goes back to the Achaemenid era, it is evident that the country had been Iran from its birth.

The Persian civilization spawned four major religions: Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, Manichaeanism, and the Baha’i Faith. Other religions such as Mazdakism, and Manichaeism also arose from ancient Iran, with the former having been dubbed the first communistic ideology, and the latter heavily influencing Saint Augustine; hence, indirectly influencing Christianity: Both religions were sub-branches of Zoroastrianism. Today many scholars while still debating on which religion first introduced monotheism; Zoroastrianism, or Judaism, they, however, have conceded that it was the religion of Zoroastrianismthat for the first time introduced angelology, demonology, apocalyptical doctrines, as well as, some eschatological notions to humanity[5]. Such ideas would later be passed on to the Babylonian Jews via the Persian Empire. All of these reflect the extreme dualism of Persian culture which has also significantly influenced Judeo-Christianity and Western civilization. In addition, Persian civilization has affected its neighbors through culture, religion, and language.

.Zmmz 21:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copy and paste this under article Angel. It is being reverted even though my source is preeminent. Also, the articles Al Khwarizmi and Al Biruni are being unfairly edit to use ``Arabian`` origins.

Introduction to Angel

An angel is an ethereal being found in many religions, whose duties are to assist and serve God or the gods. Most scholars now believe that humanity was first introduced to angelology as well as demonology, by the Iranian (Persian) prophet Zoroaster, through The Persian Empire, that would later influence Judeo-Christian beliefs[6].Zmmz 22:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. If you can, please go to the persian people article and change, The Persians of Iran are an ethnic group identified by a sense of sharing a common Iranian (Persian culture), which is of Indo-European lineage and having a Persian (a branch of Indo-European languages), to

The Iranians (Persians) are an ethnic group identified by a sense of sharing a common Iranian (Persian) lineage, and culture. They are decedents of Aryan ancestors (Medes, and Persians), sharing a common language: Persian, which is a branch of Indo-European languages. Although, it is noteworthy to mention that their ancestral ties may be traced back even further to the tribes such as Scythians, and Sarmatians who at some point settled on the Iranian plateau as far back as 4000 BC. At some point these tribes adapted and assimilated into the Aryan society, mixing and mingling with the Medes, and Persians.

ThanksZmmz 07:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gol, go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:William_M._Connolley, and ask this admin to get involve inhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02_Persian_people#Comments_by_others. ThanksZmmz 20:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments would be appreciated

Systematic vandalism on Iran-related articles reported: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Aucaman_and_User:Heja_helweda_and_User:Diyako

Your comments would be appreciated

Contact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal and ask for help please for the [persian people] article.Zmmz 04:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gol, sorry to ask but someone said, she, meaning you, is from Calif--are you?Zmmz 23:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

In order to get some organisation to all efforts, could please share your email adderss? Thanks --Kash 00:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NICE JOB!!!

Salam, I read your comment on the mediation page for Persian People and it was great!! IT WAS THE SMARTEST THING ON THAT PAGE! --(Aytakin) | Talk 02:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope so too, this problem is getting too big. But I am not sure what the results could be, I don't think it is possible to ban people from editing a 'single' article, is it?

Aucaman

Gol go leave your comments in the page I mentioned, but do not write anything under the Statement of the dispute Description section. Be brief, and provide some examples.Zmmz 20:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please go to the following page and help me combat anti-Iranianism made by one particular user who is doing sneaky vandalism on most Persian related articles due to political and Zionist reasons, which have no place in an encyclopedia. The link that suports banning this user is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Aucaman, and also Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02 Persian people. This would be appreciated. Zmmz 07:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No one's watching the Aryans page!!

We have all been spending all of our time on the Persian people page that No one's watching the Aryans page!! On the Persian people page everyone has been trying to stop User:Heja_helweda and User:Aucaman saying it is racist to use the term "Aryan" on the page that everyone forgot about the Aryans page. I was looking at the history of that page and I saw that User:Heja_helweda has made some changes. If you have some time please check out what has changed and try to fix any bad mistakes similar to the Persian Peoples page that they might have made. Thanks --(Aytakin) | Talk 02:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, stop responding to these people on the discussion pages..let`s concentrate on the mediation part and finding an admin.Zmmz 02:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Genetics Test

Go here,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Genetic_origins_of_the_Kurds, and vote `strong delete` please, so a certain user would no longer be able to use some psuedoscience genetic test about `Kurds`, and constantly insert in the Iranian people article.Zmmz 03:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Alternative

Hi, if you haven`t done so already, then go to the following links and quickly vote either ``Strongly delete``, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BKurdistan-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Kurdistan_stubs, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Kurdistan. Also, please go to, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Aucaman_and_User:Heja_helweda_and_User:Diyako. ``I support`` the blocking of user Aucauman, Diyako, and Heja Helwelda. This is [so] tiresome. Thanks Zmmz 01:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, why don`t you enable your email? No one can see your email addres, but when you get a private message, it goes directly to your email. Look at the futures in the left hand side of this page.Zmmz 07:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My MSN id

It's manif@hotmail.com, please add me. --ManiF 01:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP

Thanks for your message. I hope you decide to continue editing here at WP and decide to increase your involvement. The best advice I can give is to stay as neutral as possible and sticking to decent sources (especially when it comes to potentially controversial topics) and stay cool. If you can handle that, you'll do fine, even when this nonsense here starts to get stressful. SouthernComfort 07:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian Wikipedians' Notice Board (WatchDog)

Please bookmark this page, for daily updates on the status of the Iran-related articles. Read notices posted by others or add your own notice by updating "Urgent view". --ManiF 16:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Gol

Hello Gol,

Again im reaaaally sooo sorry for behaving like a child. I am a really nice guy. Sometimes I got emotional because we arabs are beeing continuously, day and night, described by some of your follow citizens as barabarians who killed,raped, and destroyed everything in their way. And that we had absolutly no contributions to the Islamic civilisation. In fact that every muslim scientist is persian until otherwise proven.

Anyways, what does Gol stand for? Mine is arabic for brilliant. I have sensed a bit of gentleness in your writtings. I Think(hope) you are a girl. Am I right? ;-) Jidan 22:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha...I knew it that you are a girl!! I always had a sixth sense for that! ;-) I thought actually that "Laden" means flowers!

You see Gol, the problem is that I lived in Tehran for 6 months. And I know how low the Iranians think of Arabs. In fact, not only Arabs, but also Turks, kurds, afghanis. I mean can you imagine that in an International tourism exhbition, the governor of fars said "we are Aryans, we should not compare ourselves to our neighbors(Arabs, Turks). We are destined to be great" And after that he gets a standing ovation from the crowds. This is what I call serious racist issues. Imagine what would have happend if an american governeur said that!! Ofcourse there are some racist arabs, and they are not alot better.

Where do I come from you ask? I am from yemen. I don't want to sound like I am flirting (I think this not allowed in an encyclopedia) but you seem to know alot about history. Jidan 14:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Safavids

Hi, actually if you check the article history you'll find that I originally offered that compromise a long time ago and the article remained like that for quite awhile until finally the revert wars started up again a few months back. The problem is that Tajik and others (maybe one or two other editors, I'm not sure) disagree that the Safavids were ethnic Azeri. So they prefer "Turkic-speaking" which I don't like either, but it doesn't seem like anyone is going to agree. SouthernComfort 19:41, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Diyako is trying to make an alternative ficticious definition of Newroz

User:Diyako has created an article on a Turkic-Nowruz without mention of its Iranian history and roots. Soon we will here Nowruz has nothing to do with Iran too. His article is Nevruz. This should be merged or edited properly. He has gone on the Turkish discussions to promote it.

Here is what user:Diyako has written;

Nevruz is the spring festival among Turkic-speaking nations, from Turkey to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan etc. It is very similar to the Iranian festival of Norouz.

According to Turkish legends Nevruz dates back to era of Gökturks.

Th user Diyako is definnityl anti-Iranian and has an anti-Iranian agenda.

Nevruz is not very similar to the Irnian festival of Norouz it is Norouz!

He has claimed the Kurdish flag has nothing to do with Iran and is a crime to fly in Iran. The Kurdish flag is based on the Iranian flag it is even in the memories of the founders of the Mehbad Republic who wanted to showcase their Aryan and Mede heritage. Back then Kurds only had a oral history about their only know ancestors the Mede and Mede heritage, before other ancestors were accepted. The Sun is also very significant element of ancient Iranian and Zorasatrianism. Diyako is misleading everyone. Go to Kurdistan 20 years ago let alone 50 they will say we are Aryans and our own blood relatives are the Persians. The Kurdish flag is not banned in Iran and is based on Iranian colours. This user also claims the Iranians are only a lingustic group after he saw that the tide was against him that Kurds are in definition an Iranian people so he worked to undermine the definition of Iranian people and even Persians with user:Acuman.

69.196.139.250 21:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

HAPPY NEW YEAR

D iyako Talk + 10:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year

Har Roozetan Norouz, Norouzetan Pirooz هر روزتا ن نوروز , نوروزتان پيروز . Amir85 14:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdish people

Thanks for your help on this article. See if you can convince User:Kashayar Karimi to agree with us that no labels should be used in the first paragraph. Aucam an^Talk 07:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gol

Can you please send me an e-mail to manif@hotmail.com, there is something I need to discuss with you. --ManiF 07:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Persian people

I tried adding in alternative theories but they were taken down. Aucaman^Talk 08:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have to fix all of Wikipedia

Sure, naive belief in ethnicity and nationalism is all over WP, because that's what most people believe. But I don't have to fix all of WP! I can't. All I can do is fix what comes under my gaze, and do the best I can there. I'm interested in Iran, believe it or not -- I'm interested in the whole swathe of culture and history from Arabia through India. It all started with Vikram Seth, progressed to Bollywood films, then to filmi music, then to the whole range of Middle Eastern-Afghan-South Asian music, and then into history, and art, and literature. People keep telling me that I'm anti-Persian, but I don't know of any anti-Persians who proofread and edit a set of two books on Persian literature [7]. Yes, they're ebooks and they're free. Not the best translations in the world, but then, they're free.

The problems of ethnicity are worst for what academics call "the old empires" -- Russian, Chinese, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, Mughal, Persian. They were big, they contained many religions/ethnicities/whatever, they were somewhat decentralized. Try to centralize and impose one "ethicity" on everyone and things get ugly.

Why Iran and to some extent the Ottomans and Mughals? I'm not all that interested in Russian, Chinese, or Eastern European history. For one thing, I don't like the music as much. So I'll just keep on learning more about the Middle East and listening to Jamshid ... Zora 02:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Armenians

We're talking about race here? So you're telling me that "Aryan" is a race? Aucaman^Talk 21:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's a question about Mossadeq at the bottom of the talk page. Aucaman^Talk 22:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Questions on Persians

Don't feel obliged to answer anything. -- - K a s h ^{Talk | email} 00:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic minorities in Iran

Hey Gol,

You'll notice my last edit was on March 19, so this was long before all the debate started up. I reverted my change and added a link to Religious minorities in Iran. The Persian Jews being an ethnic group is debated, and I'm afraid I'm not an expert enough to say. —Khoikhoi 06:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Central Asia

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tunbs

Iran occupying those islands is a fact as they sent their troops there and kicked the inhabitabts of Tunb Greater out this is just a matter of history and every one knows that,man you have a conscious, and i will not be able to connect anymore because i have tests there days do what your concious tells you Salamz MARVEL 05:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About MARVEL

Shocking, he definetly has an agenda. Is there anything we can do to get this guy out of here? Read this:

Thank you for the map you have made.. Image:Map of League of Arab States countries.png but this map wasnt exactly what i want,please will you make a map of the Arab world that include "Israel",Western Sahara, Eritria and the coast of iran¹ and exclude comors i want all Arab countries to be given green colors.

¹ http://www.al-ahwaz.com/AhwazHistory/documents/images_doc/ahwaz_arab_map.jpg

My best wishes MARVEL 20:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[8]

and

Please remove the text about Abbysians invading Yemen, firstly in that way Ethiopia is building glory in the expance of Yemen and that is inacceptable, secondly this is not in the benefit of Ethiopia to have a hostile history,plz remove the sentense Chaos- MARVEL 21:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[9]

Look at his sources! This guy is not going to bring anything but trouble, he definetly is using POV and has an agenda.Khosrow II 16:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Iran related articles noticeboard/Incidents

Please watch this page and post your public messages on this page so that everybody may have access to it. Thanks --Aminz 05:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Tabriz_Rugs

Rumi

Salam. I nominated Rumi as a Good article and 0.7 release version of WP. As a reviewer of Ga Wikiproject I reviewed it informally and wrote my viewpoint and also explain what should be done to to reach GA criteria. We need your help .--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 17:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Racism by country

Hello, a request for mediation has been filed given the deadlock at racism by country. You previously offered comment on it, but were not involved in any edit warring. As such, I'm inviting you to add yourself to the RFM if you feel that you're part of the dispute. You can do so here. If you feel you're not involved in the dispute, please disregard this message and thanks for your earlier opinion. WilyD 21:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Arij Fatyma

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A tag has been placed on Arij Fatyma requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. James ^{(T • C)} • 4:17 PM • 06:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]